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explode the bazaars are your e-ticket

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ride into the world of the paranoid

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strap yourself in as we traverse the

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universe exploring the unexplained UFO s

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ghosts Lost Worlds

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cryptozoology waters as well as other

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dimensions it's time to take back the

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NASA night now your electrifying hosts

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of exploring the bizarre Timothy Begley

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and team sports TS look at all these

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fireballs they seem to be circling all

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around this are we the only ones have

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been attacked by these things no I doubt

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that are they dangerous or just curious

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I think that one of our guests tonight

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may be able to answer those questions

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boy I sure hope so

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you know how easily frightened I can get

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well that's not what I've heard didn't

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you once ride with a famous motorcycle

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club if that's fake news then fake

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totally fake news born to be wild all

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right anyway there go the fireballs of

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circling some more so Tim what do you

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been up to

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oh just trying to stay cool and me as

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southern Indiana Heat you know how hot

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has it got in Jasper well it as they

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always say it's not so much the heat

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my my beloved friend there Helen who

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lives in some small town in California

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the temperature has hit as high as 113

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degrees this week ouch no it hasn't been

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that bad here yeah yeah well we we've

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had constant rain and flooding you've

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probably seen that on the on a TV I mean

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they're huge sinkholes opening up and

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people's cars they're floating away

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causing lots and lots of damage it just

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seems like the the weather is out of

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control and the earth is spinning

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on its axis well that's because there's

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going to be a lunar eclipse tomorrow

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night Tim oh really yeah well we're not

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going to see it it's gonna be on the

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other side it's like the the longest

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lunar eclipse we've got maybe until like

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what 20 30 years from now so we have to

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go down below the Southern Cross let's

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see Africa Asia places like that we'll

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be able to see it well I'm on my jet but

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anyway we've it we've been busy working

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on a number of books we have a very

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exciting title coming out and just say a

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couple of weeks it's I won't say it's

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for an adult adults only but it involves

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all the cases of of an adult nature I

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mean it's the sex of terrestrials is

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we're giving all these beings who seem

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to have a liking towards Earthlings so

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then we're you know it started out as a

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small a book like most of our books and

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it's now well over 400 pages oh my gosh

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we give you it we give you a suitcase

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with every one that you buy that's right

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well you know it's one of those subjects

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that has totally yeah yeah well you know

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it's it's it's been associated with a

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phenomena you know for the very

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beginning but I think a lot of

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researchers you know have shied away

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from it just because of the you know the

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the exploitive nature yeah well it is

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but we we do exploit things every once

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in a while and hope it'll be a popular

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title but in the meantime we've also got

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our UFO hostility book that's been out

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for a couple of weeks and you know

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what's really a blockbuster sales is is

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the secret diary of Admiral Byrd I just

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that are sold every month on Amazon

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anything with Admiral Byrd

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in the title seems to just fly fly out

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the door or fly off the printing press

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or wherever flies but anyway enough of

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our ranting and raving I'm sure the

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audience didn't tune in just to hear you

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and I mesmerized them I'm sure they're

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happy when we finally get to our guests

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and we've got two very fascinating

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guests the tonight we're climbing we're

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climbing up the ladder of respectability

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here I think because we have but two

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individuals who are certainly more have

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credibility they have a good credibility

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of factor that's right that's right well

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I'm really happy tonight because we have

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with us dr. Irena Scott and Ray

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Hernandez now dr. Scott received her PhD

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from the University of Missouri in

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physiology and did postdoctoral research

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at Cornell University and has been an

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assistant professor at st. Bonaventure

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University has done research and

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University of Nevada and at the Battelle

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Memorial Institute and she worked for

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the Defense Intelligence Agency and the

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Center in satellite photography and was

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a volunteer astronomer at the Ohio State

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University now her publications include

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books and works in scientific journals

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correspondent for Popular Mechanics

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magazine she also served on the MUFON

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board of directors from 1993 to the year

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2000 and is a MUFON consultant in

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Physiology and astronomy and a field

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investigator now right now we're going

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to be talking about her

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her latest book and right now I can't

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my list cause I can think it was great

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and and she can she can scold me when we

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get off the the air here

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and I cannot find it here at my notes

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Tim I you know you said earlier that you

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couldn't find when I had sent you the

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information about I guess now I can't

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find it but well inside the lightning

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ball a scientific study of lifelong UFO

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experiences Thank You Tina our producer

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who is a marvelous person and is always

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ready to bail me so our other guest Tim

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is ray Hernandez now Ray's been on the

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show before as well as a dr. Scott but

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Ray is one of the four cofounders of

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free fr EE the dr. Edgar Mitchell fine

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foundation for research into

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extraterrestrial encounters the other

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three co-founders are the late dr. Edgar

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Mitchell dr. Rudy shield and amorous

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professor of astrophysics at universe at

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Harvard University and Australian

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experience researcher Mary rod well the

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executive director of free is dr. Rudy

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Shield now ray is currently employed as

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an estate tax attorney with the US

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Department of Treasury and he's

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previously was an adjunct professor for

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Research and at the City University of

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New York Narae and his entire family

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have had conscious physical contact with

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non-human intelligence at their family

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home all these family members have also

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had various contacts with large UFOs one

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time with a football stadium sized craft

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wow that was a distance of only 30 feet

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from Ray and his daughter and three

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adult witnesses the craft covered in

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silence over them for more than 45

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his family has also had numerous

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paranormal experiences now all of these

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contact experiences began in March of

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2012 before these experiences were a was

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totally ignorant of UFOs and the

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paranormal

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and was a atheist material rationalist

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but has been completely transformed by

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his experiences now Rey is one of the

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editors of the new book published by

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free called beyond UFOs the science of

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consciousness and contact with non-human

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intelligence so dr. Scott ray Fernandez

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thank you very much for being with us on

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exploring the bizarre well you know I've

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got it thank you good evening good

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evening to both of our guests this is

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Tim Buckley here and I what I went to

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we've had you on the show I think you've

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been on three times before and you've

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made a very articulate scientific study

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of the phenomena probably more so than a

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lot of people you know have but this new

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book deals with there's something I'm

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not quite them familiar with can you

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describe but what phenomena is that

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exactly you're referring to well one

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the that one thing my book does is to

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try to invalidate the idea that euro

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phenomena is unacceptable with science

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and I did this by saying that scientists

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do see UFOs one of the arguments against

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your foes is that scientists do not see

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him and there's no publication about him

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in a peer-reviewed scientific literature

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and so I tried to refute this and I

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scientists who have seen UFOs and some

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of them had repeats sightings and I also

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mentioned peer review sent peer-reviewed

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publications the scientific literature

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which I had five of so I was saying that

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it is acceptable to science and it also

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includes my own experience as a

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scientist now but in in this book here

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we talk about some sort of fireball

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short term phenomena that often appears

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listeners are probably not too familiar

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this lightning balls are associated with

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lightning usually when a light when

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form a ball and in some ways these are

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sky and they're lit up and that's a

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characteristic of the UFO to a lot of

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them and some people have even explained

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all UFOs as lightning balls which is

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incorrect but they're they the study of

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lightning balls might enhance the study

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of UFOs because they're both mysterious

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scientists haven't quite hadn't

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explained lightning balls either and one

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there's all kinds of theories about how

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they are formed and how they take place

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and some people have said that inside

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the lightning ball is amazing physics

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such as quantum phenomena nuclear

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string phenomena intelligence in dark

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matter so I was like my sounds like my

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living room so anyway they're pretty

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complex actually I intended to start out

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I had seen a lightning ball when I was

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five years old and I intended to start

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out the book with saying that I don't

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think everything I see in the sky that's

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lit up is a UFO and I was going to say

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this is a prosaic lightning ball which

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it was but as I started to study

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lightning balls I decided to include a

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whole chapter on it because they're

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really interesting and I think if

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scientists studied lightning balls they

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now these fireballs are they not

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responsible perhaps for some of the Foo

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there seems to be a and in some cases at

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least an intelligence behind these balls

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didn't I tried to discuss that - that

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there might be two or three kinds of

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that phenomena some of them might be

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just prosaic lightning bowls that happen

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after a lightning strike but some of

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some of maybe orbs or small UFOs even

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mm-hmm

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did you read up on some of the cases

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that took place during world war ii for

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example where they actually came into

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the into the cockpit or came into the

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plane I I think there's maybe even been

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one or two cases of commercial planes

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under I don't know I want to say attack

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but having these these balls appear

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inside the of the plane yes I've heard

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of that and it's unknown how some of

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them are formed some of them are

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obviously formed after your lightning

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strike but in some cases it's unknown

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now I I remember when I went down to our

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familiar well with the ghost lights

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that's another phenomena that I kind of

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associate with this back many years ago

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I went with my friend Ed Jim Mosley and

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Allan they're green fields who's been on

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the program any time and we visited

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Brown Mountain North Carolina now this

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is a spot outside of Morgantown where

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these mysterious balls of light have

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been seen hovering above the oh the fart

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of the forest in the mountain their

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areas there and they do seem to be at

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least some of them intelligent I it at

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one point in fact there was a tower

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where people would climb and watch the

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activities of these ghost lights and I

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talked to several witnesses down there

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and they seemed to think that they were

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intelligent they didn't say that they

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were interplanetary necessary although

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there was one fellow there who claimed

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that he actually went inside the

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mountain and met the aliens and things

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like that he ran a little out of Space

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Museum up on the top of the hill there

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but there were there were a few

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witnesses who actually told me that

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these things would approach them and get

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within maybe a twenty or thirty feet and

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as they would walk towards them the the

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closer they got the objects would

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disappear but if they turned around they

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wouldn't be and back of them but there

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was no way that they could have you know

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traveled the the distance without them

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seeing them or passing through them or

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or whatever and some of the folks even I

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think started signaling it to the object

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and they would make some sort of

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maneuver and of course you probably

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familiar with Ted Phillips out there and

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who has seen these objects and

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photographed and where they seem to

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appear Morley woods is that Tim is up

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right Morley woods yes that's current

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India yeah in Indiana right no it's it's

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in Missouri I'm sorry I'm sorry well

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there are a lot of ghost lights actually

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Missouri I mean do you have any feelings

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on these are studied any of those a

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particular the

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those lights yes

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in one instance I was talking about in

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my book

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I was I was in a house it was kind of

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built on top of a volcano and on one

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side was a crater and on the other side

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of the crater and where was this where

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was this

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this was in Texas on one side of it

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there was a big volcano with a complex

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yeah

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uplift in the middle and everything yes

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and I was this is prosaic I think I was

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standing on a patio it was elevated with

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my video camera on and it I was I was by

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I was kind of videotaping the crater it

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was a huge crater like miles across and

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also the McDonald telescope complex was

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there and as I was standing there a huge

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lightning bolt bolt landed right beside

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me and I was on the patio with posts

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wouldn't post and didn't hit me but I

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got a video of the of a huge whiteout

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around it and then it short and then the

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electricity shorting up a guy wire of a

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cell tower and I thought that was pretty

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unique because it it hit and the

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electricity went off from the house and

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everything well but I was in the

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whiteout and the camera filmed it and by

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some definitions that would be inside a

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lightning ball which I used the title of

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my book because I actually had this

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video of it and the whiteout lasted a

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short time but immediately after it went

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off I mean it was right beside me where

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the lightning hit about 120 feet away

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was not having 50 feet away was a cell

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tower and I actually got a video of the

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electricity shorting up a guy wire of

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the cell tower and so I thought in the

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radius of about 125 feet around me that

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anybody would have got killed if they

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hadn't been insulated it was a pretty

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interesting video because it showed the

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white out and then immediately

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afterwards it showed is huge amount

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electricity shorting up a guy wire which

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I thought was pretty interesting and

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yeah how close was it to you the guy

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wire was about her a hundred and twenty

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feet away approximately there like the

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lightning hit right beside me so a you

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could have been seriously injured if not

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killed I would have gotten probably got

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killed if I was 120 feet away yeah so it

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was pretty amazing I was just lucky

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because I was a insulated place well I

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don't think you'd you know there'd been

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some cases reported where people have

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been struck by lightning you know five

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six times during their life and survived

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I don't I I think that's a very

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terrorizing experience I know there was

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a woman just this week at tamanna in a

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rock festival was it in Tennessee who

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was hit by lightning and they she did

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manage to survive because everybody came

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to her you know rescue I guess just in

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the nick of time and they got her yeah

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resuscitated her and also uh you know

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it's a it's a dangerous thing to to have

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to deal with and then to think that they

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might be I have some intelligence behind

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it that I think makes it even a little

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bit scarier than than that yeah

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definitely because I'm sorry Doc's gone

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but before we continue this conversation

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we're going to have to pause for our

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bottom of the

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or break so when we come back we'll

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continue our conversation with dr. irina

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scott and next we'll bring in Rey

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Hernandez on exploring the bizarre right

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here on the mighty Casey Oh our digital

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now back to exploring the bazaar with

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two of the most electrifying researchers

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in the Paranoid your hosts Timothy Becca

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link Anton lists welcome back to

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exploring the bazaar I'm Tim Swartz and

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Tim why don't we bring Rey Hernandez

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into the conversation now so right thank

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you very much for being with us tonight

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it's always a real pleasure talking with

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you thank you for the invitation

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all right so before we get into the book

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beyond UFOs why don't you tell our

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audience a little bit about the dr.

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Edgar Mitchell foundation for research

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into extraterrestrial encounters okay

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it's um it's a 501c3 an academic

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research institute it was co-founded by

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four individuals one was dr. Edgar

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Mitchell the other one is dr. Rudy

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shields who is an emeritus professor of

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astrophysics at Harvard University and a

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very close friend of the late dr. John

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Mack and also a very close friend of

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Edgar Mitchell and Mary rod well who is

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a researcher in Australia who has

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investigated over 3,000 cases of

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individuals that have had ufo-related

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contact experiences and I'm the fourth

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co-founder and the mission of the free

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organization is to undertake the world's

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first comprehensive academic research

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study of individuals that have had your

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four related contact experiences with

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non-human intelligence and we've had

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over the last five years approximately

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15 PhDs most of them are retired

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academics that have worked in both

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developing the method

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dodging and analyzing the data in our

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research study and retired professor dr.

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John clemo

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who was a tenured faculty member for

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over 40 years at several institutions

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and his specialty was the paranormal one

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of the few academics to to be a tenured

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faculty member doing primarily focusing

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on on parapsychology and paranormal type

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of experiences and and so he developed

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was the main person that developed a

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research methodology for our research

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study and I can go into detail in terms

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of the methodology and before we get

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into our findings but at least your

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audience members know that we are a

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combination of retired p-a-t-h the

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academics together with individuals that

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have researched UFO contact experiences

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for many many years people such as dr.

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Leo sprinkle was a member of our board

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of directors and I guess he's now close

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to 90 years old and about a year ago he

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bailed out on us because he said that we

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were working into death we had about we

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had him on the show not too long ago

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he's a an old time a friend of mine

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going back many many years yes extremely

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helpful we have like monthly meetings

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which he participated and we had to send

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everything to him via snail mail because

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he doesn't have internet so but he did

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fully participate for over a four year

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period we also had Kathleen Martin who's

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still on our board of directors and PS

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he also wrote a chapter in our book mary

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Rodwell was with us from the very

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beginning and and she's also wrote a

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chapter in our book we had numerous

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individuals I don't gonna go through all

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of them but well I know you miss what

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your book is what eight hundred and

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fifty pages eight hundred and eighteen

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pages oh well okay

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what did you manage to what did you

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manage to put in a book

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I mean we've we've done some big books

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Tim right I mean where we've had books

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are up to around 450 pages but 800 pages

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is a heftier vai in there rheya research

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study was comprised of yes our study was

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comprised of three surveys the first two

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surveys were quantitative in nature and

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they had approximately 700 questions

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when we included the phase three

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quantitative questions so right off the

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bat 700 questions the most that had ever

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been done in the past was basically 50

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questions Kathy Martin study that she

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did have contact experiences and mainly

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abductees only had 50 questions and she

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only had 50 individuals and we wound up

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after five years with 4200 individuals

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from over 100 countries we also had a

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phase three the phase three was a

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qualitative instrument and in that

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survey instrument we had 70 open-ended

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questions and what we what we've what we

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finally received was over 10,000 pages

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of writings to these 70 questions there

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was a possibly a thousand 400

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individuals who responded to the phase

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uninviting up the formal analysis for

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the phase three these found 10,000 pages

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and we had a team of five individuals

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each of us took 100 cases and we

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selected the top 20 cases based upon

545
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eight different criteria and so we sent

546
00:30:03,730 --> 00:30:01,149
those materials to doctor clemo

547
00:30:06,779 --> 00:30:03,740
so he had literally thousands and

548
00:30:09,879 --> 00:30:06,789
thousands of pages on these 100

549
00:30:12,940 --> 00:30:09,889
individuals and then it took him close

550
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:12,950
to nine months to write the analysis for

551
00:30:19,419 --> 00:30:14,570
this qualitative instrument

552
00:30:24,399 --> 00:30:19,429
and then dr. Rudi shields dr. Jon clemo

553
00:30:27,700 --> 00:30:24,409
and dr. Bob Davis was a retired

554
00:30:30,879 --> 00:30:27,710
professor of neuroscience we spent also

555
00:30:35,799 --> 00:30:30,889
nine months analyzing the quantitative

556
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:35,809
data and and then what we did is because

557
00:30:40,269 --> 00:30:37,610
we had so many different types of

558
00:30:43,899 --> 00:30:40,279
questions along different thematic topic

559
00:30:45,669 --> 00:30:43,909
areas and the findings that we had what

560
00:30:49,090 --> 00:30:45,679
we did is we categorize them into

561
00:30:50,860 --> 00:30:49,100
different topic areas and so we asked

562
00:30:54,190 --> 00:30:50,870
different individuals to write chapters

563
00:30:57,070 --> 00:30:54,200
on the different topic areas and I could

564
00:30:59,470 --> 00:30:57,080
go into a little bit more details in the

565
00:31:00,730 --> 00:30:59,480
future about what each of these topic

566
00:31:03,549 --> 00:31:00,740
areas were and what people wrote about

567
00:31:05,860 --> 00:31:03,559
so what we did is we gave them the data

568
00:31:08,230 --> 00:31:05,870
from the both of a quantitative

569
00:31:09,580 --> 00:31:08,240
instruments and the qualitative

570
00:31:11,730 --> 00:31:09,590
instruments what the people actually

571
00:31:14,860 --> 00:31:11,740
said in writing we gave them synopses

572
00:31:20,730 --> 00:31:14,870
synopsis for them for the different

573
00:31:26,049 --> 00:31:20,740
topic areas for example what we found

574
00:31:28,810 --> 00:31:26,059
let me backtrack to say that first of

575
00:31:32,919 --> 00:31:28,820
all the reason we got into this was

576
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:32,929
because when I had my experience I had I

577
00:31:38,289 --> 00:31:35,570
was a PC candidate at the University of

578
00:31:41,279 --> 00:31:38,299
California Berkeley before that attended

579
00:31:44,499 --> 00:31:41,289
Cornell University for a master's degree

580
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:44,509
and I also taught for six years at two

581
00:31:49,029 --> 00:31:46,250
different universities at the New School

582
00:31:52,090 --> 00:31:49,039
for Social Research and the C University

583
00:31:54,070 --> 00:31:52,100
in New York so when I had my experience

584
00:31:56,799 --> 00:31:54,080
though one of the first things I did was

585
00:31:58,419 --> 00:31:56,809
after going obviously to the internet to

586
00:32:01,570 --> 00:31:58,429
find out you know what the hell is the

587
00:32:04,210 --> 00:32:01,580
UFO what L is the paranormal what I

588
00:32:06,970 --> 00:32:04,220
quickly discovered was that the Internet

589
00:32:09,340 --> 00:32:06,980
is full of nonsense people were

590
00:32:11,289 --> 00:32:09,350
contradicting each other and I couldn't

591
00:32:13,269 --> 00:32:11,299
get any answers any definitive answers

592
00:32:14,950 --> 00:32:13,279
it's not like you go into a library you

593
00:32:18,009 --> 00:32:14,960
research something you get a definitive

594
00:32:21,549 --> 00:32:18,019
answer and then when I went to do a peer

595
00:32:23,889 --> 00:32:21,559
an academic literature review of what

596
00:32:27,129 --> 00:32:23,899
has been written on UFO contact

597
00:32:27,940 --> 00:32:27,139
experiences what I discovered was almost

598
00:32:33,270 --> 00:32:27,950
a big

599
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:33,280
zero what you literally had is you had

600
00:32:38,140 --> 00:32:35,570
hundreds if not thousands of books

601
00:32:40,570 --> 00:32:38,150
written by experiencers about their own

602
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:40,580
individual experiences yes and then you

603
00:32:46,180 --> 00:32:44,090
had books written by hypnotic regression

604
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:46,190
folks that would take people that would

605
00:32:50,260 --> 00:32:47,810
you know walk through the doors and

606
00:32:53,830 --> 00:32:50,270
would write up books upon their hypnotic

607
00:32:57,060 --> 00:32:53,840
regressions and and that's that was it

608
00:32:59,560 --> 00:32:57,070
in terms of statistical data collections

609
00:33:02,710 --> 00:32:59,570
there was a book that dr. Kenneth ring

610
00:33:05,100 --> 00:33:02,720
did but he only had like 90 people and

611
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:05,110
he had about maybe a hundred questions

612
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:07,250
150 questions I should say but it was

613
00:33:12,940 --> 00:33:10,850
very very focused on what's other topic

614
00:33:16,750 --> 00:33:12,950
questions of for that book which is the

615
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:16,760
Omega project and then you had the one

616
00:33:20,940 --> 00:33:18,530
by Kathy Martin which is only fifty

617
00:33:24,540 --> 00:33:20,950
people as it was fifty abductees and

618
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:24,550
there were a couple of other little

619
00:33:33,100 --> 00:33:30,050
doctor dr. Bessel Eric Schwartz from

620
00:33:38,580 --> 00:33:33,110
Florida used to be in Jersey first forth

621
00:33:41,140 --> 00:33:38,590
but that's a year I guess for Chet yeah

622
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:41,150
I'm familiar with his work I have one of

623
00:33:46,090 --> 00:33:43,730
his major books and although Brent rains

624
00:33:48,220 --> 00:33:46,100
knew him very well and Brent oh he's

625
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:48,230
great he's a great but great research

626
00:33:51,820 --> 00:33:50,690
he's a wonderful man a wonderful man a

627
00:33:53,740 --> 00:33:51,830
very knowledgeable

628
00:33:56,770 --> 00:33:53,750
extremely healthy like he was the one

629
00:33:59,980 --> 00:33:56,780
that had a hundred cases of 100 Spears

630
00:34:03,790 --> 00:33:59,990
that that he helped simplifies a few me

631
00:34:05,650 --> 00:34:03,800
twenty he had two hundred cases and we

632
00:34:08,110 --> 00:34:05,660
whittled that he whittled it down to 22

633
00:34:10,570 --> 00:34:08,120
top 20 cases so he's been working with

634
00:34:12,430 --> 00:34:10,580
us you know for the very beginning yes

635
00:34:14,890 --> 00:34:12,440
in terms of doing the data on data

636
00:34:17,290 --> 00:34:14,900
analysis so there's I was saying before

637
00:34:19,810 --> 00:34:17,300
you know there have been studies that

638
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:19,820
are out there but miniscule studies and

639
00:34:25,270 --> 00:34:22,850
again very limited to specific questions

640
00:34:29,710 --> 00:34:25,280
specific issues there was nothing out

641
00:34:31,270 --> 00:34:29,720
there that was comprehensive and so that

642
00:34:34,630 --> 00:34:31,280
was the reason why this study because

643
00:34:37,720 --> 00:34:34,640
Edgar Mitchell you know told us that we

644
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:37,730
have almost no data whatsoever about

645
00:34:41,830 --> 00:34:40,610
what is happening to the UFO contact

646
00:34:45,970 --> 00:34:41,840
experiences

647
00:34:48,250 --> 00:34:45,980
and Leo sprinkle Cathy Martin Mary rod

648
00:34:50,610 --> 00:34:48,260
well Brett rains you know our Barbara

649
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:50,620
lamb who's working with us at one point

650
00:34:54,940 --> 00:34:53,330
and and many of the other people in our

651
00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:54,950
organization they all had their

652
00:34:58,720 --> 00:34:57,410
speculation of what was going on and

653
00:35:01,150 --> 00:34:58,730
everyone was pretty much in agreement

654
00:35:02,980 --> 00:35:01,160
but they didn't have the data the

655
00:35:08,050 --> 00:35:02,990
statistics of percentages to back them

656
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:08,060
up okay and and now we do in terms of

657
00:35:14,230 --> 00:35:10,970
our findings let me just say that

658
00:35:16,450 --> 00:35:14,240
there's four very general main findings

659
00:35:20,260 --> 00:35:16,460
even though we could break it down into

660
00:35:22,660 --> 00:35:20,270
subcategories you know we can literally

661
00:35:26,260 --> 00:35:22,670
have hundreds of different findings but

662
00:35:30,820 --> 00:35:26,270
the four main ones is that overall the

663
00:35:34,030 --> 00:35:30,830
UFO contactee experience by the vast

664
00:35:37,170 --> 00:35:34,040
majority of the individuals are

665
00:35:40,570 --> 00:35:37,180
perceived as a highly positive

666
00:35:43,390 --> 00:35:40,580
experience in the very beginning of

667
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:43,400
their contact experiences 38% of the

668
00:35:51,490 --> 00:35:46,010
individuals stated that they perceived

669
00:35:53,110 --> 00:35:51,500
it as a negative but over time most of

670
00:35:56,860 --> 00:35:53,120
us majority of these individuals have

671
00:36:00,430 --> 00:35:56,870
had subsequent experiences the largest

672
00:36:02,230 --> 00:36:00,440
category was 20-plus experiences I

673
00:36:03,820 --> 00:36:02,240
forgot the exact percentages but I think

674
00:36:05,590 --> 00:36:03,830
it was maybe like 30 percent of the

675
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:05,600
people have had more than 20 experiences

676
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:09,410
but but the vast majority these

677
00:36:14,380 --> 00:36:11,810
individuals have had more than one one

678
00:36:17,230 --> 00:36:14,390
one experience and these are you know

679
00:36:19,030 --> 00:36:17,240
physical few me these are contact

680
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:19,040
experiences with non-human intelligence

681
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:21,410
and at one time in their life they have

682
00:36:26,620 --> 00:36:23,810
seen a UFO that was the categories that

683
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:26,630
we had used now we asked a question of

684
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:29,930
positive negative neutral in my goodness

685
00:36:37,180 --> 00:36:35,570
more than 10 15 different questions just

686
00:36:38,530 --> 00:36:37,190
to depending how you phrased the

687
00:36:42,010 --> 00:36:38,540
question you know people respond

688
00:36:43,750 --> 00:36:42,020
differently but let me just give you we

689
00:36:47,110 --> 00:36:43,760
asked them have you experience has been

690
00:36:50,110 --> 00:36:47,120
positive negative an equal okay in terms

691
00:36:51,700 --> 00:36:50,120
of the negative experiences depending on

692
00:36:54,700 --> 00:36:51,710
the type of questions they were asked

693
00:36:56,750 --> 00:36:54,710
was anywhere from 15% all the way down

694
00:36:58,700 --> 00:36:56,760
to five

695
00:37:01,850 --> 00:36:58,710
we would ask them questions of do you

696
00:37:04,100 --> 00:37:01,860
want your contact experiences to stop 84

697
00:37:06,710 --> 00:37:04,110
percent said no you know don't make it

698
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:06,720
fun do you believe that you know

699
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:09,210
non-human intelligences that you have

700
00:37:13,910 --> 00:37:10,890
interacted with are they bad or

701
00:37:18,650 --> 00:37:13,920
malevolent only nine point seven percent

702
00:37:20,240 --> 00:37:18,660
said yes and so we asked that those

703
00:37:23,810 --> 00:37:20,250
types of questions in numerous numerous

704
00:37:25,490 --> 00:37:23,820
ways but overall depending on how we

705
00:37:27,470 --> 00:37:25,500
phrased the question between five to

706
00:37:29,720 --> 00:37:27,480
fifteen percent of the individuals

707
00:37:32,690 --> 00:37:29,730
perceived their experiences as negative

708
00:37:34,910 --> 00:37:32,700
the vast majority were positive even

709
00:37:36,500 --> 00:37:34,920
though there was also a large number

710
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:36,510
that were neutral couple of experiences

711
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:38,490
we also asked that question by the type

712
00:37:44,930 --> 00:37:42,090
of being they encountered and so we also

713
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:44,940
have very very specific for example the

714
00:37:48,470 --> 00:37:46,410
number one type of being people

715
00:37:50,690 --> 00:37:48,480
interacting with was the energy being

716
00:37:52,790 --> 00:37:50,700
okay that was close to what they was

717
00:37:55,460 --> 00:37:52,800
about thousand two hundred individuals

718
00:37:57,290 --> 00:37:55,470
had interactions with energy beings the

719
00:38:00,140 --> 00:37:57,300
number two was the human looking being

720
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:00,150
okay now for both of those percentages

721
00:38:05,810 --> 00:38:03,690
it was people around five percent of the

722
00:38:08,630 --> 00:38:05,820
expressions were negative with those two

723
00:38:11,540 --> 00:38:08,640
types of beings the greys the small race

724
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:11,550
it was close to 850 people have

725
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:13,530
encounters with small Grey's they were

726
00:38:19,250 --> 00:38:17,490
the number three group and out of those

727
00:38:21,860 --> 00:38:19,260
12 and a half percent said that their

728
00:38:22,370 --> 00:38:21,870
experiences were negative with the small

729
00:38:25,850 --> 00:38:22,380
greys

730
00:38:28,190 --> 00:38:25,860
now that's not what's being represented

731
00:38:31,430 --> 00:38:28,200
out in the internet and on YouTube etc

732
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:31,440
okay but here we have 850 people from

733
00:38:34,790 --> 00:38:33,450
over 100 different countries saying

734
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:34,800
they're only 12 and a half percent of

735
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:37,530
the expressions were negative so that

736
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:41,850
was one of the main findings that it was

737
00:38:47,860 --> 00:38:44,330
overwhelmingly a positive experience

738
00:38:53,090 --> 00:38:47,870
number two is that these experiences

739
00:38:55,550 --> 00:38:53,100
resulted in a total transformation for

740
00:38:58,340 --> 00:38:55,560
the positive of the personal personality

741
00:39:00,290 --> 00:38:58,350
profile of the individuals well we did

742
00:39:02,810 --> 00:39:00,300
is we borrowed close to 70 questions

743
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:02,820
that dr. Kenneth ring news in the Omega

744
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:06,810
project and these are all personality

745
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:08,650
transformation questions for

746
00:39:13,799 --> 00:39:12,010
example we asked individuals after your

747
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:13,809
experience as far as rather you had the

748
00:39:20,690 --> 00:39:17,170
experience are you

749
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:20,700
we asked various questions that we asked

750
00:39:28,319 --> 00:39:25,210
for example we use the word let's say

751
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:28,329
for example a fear of death okay for

752
00:39:32,180 --> 00:39:29,650
example okay

753
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:32,190
greatly increased increased slightly

754
00:39:39,450 --> 00:39:35,970
stayed the same decreased slightly or

755
00:39:41,010 --> 00:39:39,460
decreased greatly okay so those are the

756
00:39:43,529 --> 00:39:41,020
categories for these different questions

757
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:43,539
well we found out that people were much

758
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:47,410
more spiritual were more loving and

759
00:39:56,530 --> 00:39:52,690
generous to to other human beings they

760
00:39:57,680 --> 00:39:56,540
were less egotistical they were more

761
00:40:00,599 --> 00:39:57,690
[Music]

762
00:40:04,470 --> 00:40:00,609
ecologically friendly they didn't care

763
00:40:07,079 --> 00:40:04,480
about money anymore they they are much

764
00:40:09,660 --> 00:40:07,089
more interested in in in consciousness

765
00:40:11,819 --> 00:40:09,670
awareness of what is the nature of our

766
00:40:14,460 --> 00:40:11,829
reality there was like 70 different

767
00:40:16,170 --> 00:40:14,470
questions and what you work what you

768
00:40:18,900 --> 00:40:16,180
have is you have the total

769
00:40:22,430 --> 00:40:18,910
transformation of these experiences into

770
00:40:25,769 --> 00:40:22,440
a totally different personality profile

771
00:40:27,809 --> 00:40:25,779
which is for the benefit and people are

772
00:40:29,730 --> 00:40:27,819
more spiritual they don't care about the

773
00:40:32,670 --> 00:40:29,740
importance of money they become more

774
00:40:34,710 --> 00:40:32,680
loving to each other we're polluting our

775
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:34,720
planet to become super ecologically

776
00:40:39,890 --> 00:40:38,410
friendly they don't fear that etcetera

777
00:40:46,079 --> 00:40:39,900
shine rec7 settle settle

778
00:40:49,260 --> 00:40:46,089
so ray tell us though what what part of

779
00:40:52,589 --> 00:40:49,270
their experience led Tim into this more

780
00:40:54,539 --> 00:40:52,599
spiritual nature I mean is it the

781
00:40:58,200 --> 00:40:54,549
communications that they had with these

782
00:41:00,510 --> 00:40:58,210
these beings or or or what I mean why

783
00:41:02,069 --> 00:41:00,520
suddenly if I go out and I meet somebody

784
00:41:03,269 --> 00:41:02,079
you know on the street and have a

785
00:41:05,670 --> 00:41:03,279
conversation with them I don't know

786
00:41:09,980 --> 00:41:05,680
whether they're from you know in England

787
00:41:14,670 --> 00:41:09,990
or Canada or Mexico it's not likely to

788
00:41:17,220 --> 00:41:14,680
transform my life to that degree I mean

789
00:41:22,260 --> 00:41:17,230
what is it about their experience that

790
00:41:25,859 --> 00:41:22,270
actually takes this new approach to life

791
00:41:28,310 --> 00:41:25,869
well it's it's a we have a whole chapter

792
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:28,320
on that on the spiritual transformation

793
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:31,450
we have two authors for that one chapter

794
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:34,090
it's close to fifty pages one is a

795
00:41:38,790 --> 00:41:35,890
Reverend Michael Carter who's an

796
00:41:40,650 --> 00:41:38,800
ordained minister a graduate of the New

797
00:41:43,710 --> 00:41:40,660
York Theological Seminary and he's also

798
00:41:47,609 --> 00:41:43,720
an experiencer and and then the other

799
00:41:51,300 --> 00:41:47,619
co-author is Mike Marburg who is an

800
00:41:55,650 --> 00:41:51,310
attorney in Tampa he's in his mid-60s

801
00:41:57,780 --> 00:41:55,660
and he's also an experiencer and and

802
00:42:00,060 --> 00:41:57,790
both of them underwent dramatic

803
00:42:04,100 --> 00:42:00,070
spiritual transformation after the

804
00:42:08,310 --> 00:42:04,110
experiences in terms of the factors that

805
00:42:10,020 --> 00:42:08,320
that are indicators of that are triggers

806
00:42:13,940 --> 00:42:10,030
I should say for these transformations

807
00:42:16,740 --> 00:42:13,950
first of all what we found out was that

808
00:42:20,490 --> 00:42:16,750
we've had almost twice the amount of

809
00:42:22,530 --> 00:42:20,500
individuals that have been brought to

810
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:22,540
other dimensions other realities by

811
00:42:28,170 --> 00:42:26,050
these beings than people that have had a

812
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:28,180
quote-unquote typical abduction

813
00:42:36,140 --> 00:42:31,050
experience now that's something that

814
00:42:39,270 --> 00:42:36,150
that Kathy Martin knew Leo sprinkle knew

815
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:39,280
Barbara lamb knew Mary rod will do you

816
00:42:42,420 --> 00:42:40,570
know all the people have been dealing

817
00:42:45,180 --> 00:42:42,430
with experiences for so many years they

818
00:42:47,330 --> 00:42:45,190
knew that that was a much more common

819
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:47,340
phenomenon than the typical abduction

820
00:42:52,590 --> 00:42:49,570
scenario but they didn't have the data

821
00:42:55,620 --> 00:42:52,600
to back it up okay even the people that

822
00:42:57,620 --> 00:42:55,630
have had abductions okay seventy percent

823
00:43:02,910 --> 00:42:57,630
of these individuals now call themselves

824
00:43:04,380 --> 00:43:02,920
contactees okay because for many of

825
00:43:07,260 --> 00:43:04,390
these individuals the experiences

826
00:43:09,750 --> 00:43:07,270
started with a medical examination you

827
00:43:11,940 --> 00:43:09,760
know you're paralyzed you're frozen you

828
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:11,950
find yourself on the table and you're

829
00:43:15,750 --> 00:43:14,290
having all the common indicators that

830
00:43:18,030 --> 00:43:15,760
everyone knows about you know with these

831
00:43:20,970 --> 00:43:18,040
types of medical exams and medical

832
00:43:23,790 --> 00:43:20,980
procedures okay people are petrified now

833
00:43:26,099 --> 00:43:23,800
the people that mean B answer negative

834
00:43:27,750 --> 00:43:26,109
to the negative experiences were the

835
00:43:29,220 --> 00:43:27,760
people that basically had one or two of

836
00:43:31,020 --> 00:43:29,230
these type of experiences but they had

837
00:43:33,660 --> 00:43:31,030
nothing afterwards or they can't

838
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:33,670
remember anything afterwards now what we

839
00:43:35,970 --> 00:43:35,290
found with a lot of these individuals

840
00:43:39,150 --> 00:43:35,980
that

841
00:43:41,010 --> 00:43:39,160
later on the experience has changed all

842
00:43:42,630 --> 00:43:41,020
of a sudden they're talking to a

843
00:43:45,450 --> 00:43:42,640
human-looking being dressed in a white

844
00:43:47,609 --> 00:43:45,460
monstro okay the being is but how do you

845
00:43:50,010 --> 00:43:47,619
know the Marais I hate I hate to

846
00:43:52,230 --> 00:43:50,020
contradict you but how do you know that

847
00:43:56,780 --> 00:43:52,240
you know we hear a lot of stories about

848
00:44:00,780 --> 00:43:56,790
mind control and shape-shifting and

849
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:00,790
people these aliens being able to cloak

850
00:44:05,720 --> 00:44:03,130
them themselves how do we know that

851
00:44:09,570 --> 00:44:05,730
whatever they're telling the these

852
00:44:12,510 --> 00:44:09,580
individuals these silent contactees John

853
00:44:14,820 --> 00:44:12,520
keel used to call them are really what's

854
00:44:18,720 --> 00:44:14,830
happening in that it's not some other

855
00:44:21,420 --> 00:44:18,730
were instrumental experience directly

856
00:44:22,770 --> 00:44:21,430
physical okay yes we've had over fifty

857
00:44:24,599 --> 00:44:22,780
percent of the people have taken a

858
00:44:25,460 --> 00:44:24,609
survey that have had a medical healing

859
00:44:27,990 --> 00:44:25,470
okay

860
00:44:30,450 --> 00:44:28,000
we ask that question because that's

861
00:44:33,930 --> 00:44:30,460
exactly what my first experience was in

862
00:44:35,790 --> 00:44:33,940
my living room with my wife okay our dog

863
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:35,800
that we were gonna be euthanizing that

864
00:44:40,740 --> 00:44:38,530
same day my wife had been praying all

865
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:40,750
night for some type of angelic

866
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:41,890
intervention okay

867
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:44,770
and then in the morning my wife's fall

868
00:44:50,070 --> 00:44:48,010
like a little upside down you look like

869
00:44:53,550 --> 00:44:50,080
a little craft inside our living room

870
00:44:54,599 --> 00:44:53,560
and then she began to pray she thought

871
00:44:55,830 --> 00:44:54,609
it was you know an angel

872
00:44:58,530 --> 00:44:55,840
because she I've been praying all night

873
00:45:00,390 --> 00:44:58,540
for it and then all of a sudden she was

874
00:45:01,980 --> 00:45:00,400
calling me and I totally ignored her so

875
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:01,990
she ran upstairs and she pulled me out

876
00:45:06,900 --> 00:45:04,930
of bed so we went downstairs all of a

877
00:45:09,590 --> 00:45:06,910
sudden my wife and my dog disappeared

878
00:45:13,230 --> 00:45:09,600
right in front of me and what I saw was

879
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:13,240
what I call a plasma energy being it was

880
00:45:20,820 --> 00:45:16,890
a pure plasma rectangular type in shape

881
00:45:24,300 --> 00:45:20,830
multi-coloured translucent and it

882
00:45:26,910 --> 00:45:24,310
basically put me to sleep okay when I

883
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:26,920
woke up 45 minutes later all of a sudden

884
00:45:30,300 --> 00:45:28,570
my wife book is in the middle of living

885
00:45:33,450 --> 00:45:30,310
room saying hallelujah hallelujah the

886
00:45:36,510 --> 00:45:33,460
Angels cured angels cure and our dog who

887
00:45:38,310 --> 00:45:36,520
even before her stroke was walking

888
00:45:41,700 --> 00:45:38,320
around like an old lady generally

889
00:45:43,740 --> 00:45:41,710
because of severe heart problems and her

890
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:43,750
arthritis now was running around the

891
00:45:50,180 --> 00:45:48,010
house like a teenager okay so we asked

892
00:45:52,970 --> 00:45:50,190
that question in our survey

893
00:45:55,860 --> 00:45:52,980
everyone in our team knew about these

894
00:45:57,810 --> 00:45:55,870
medical healings as a matter of fact

895
00:46:01,470 --> 00:45:57,820
Preston Dennett wrote a book they were

896
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:01,480
like oh yes oh yes 20 years ago titled

897
00:46:05,700 --> 00:46:04,570
UFO healings had 200 cases in that so

898
00:46:08,850 --> 00:46:05,710
it's not something that people just

899
00:46:10,470 --> 00:46:08,860
coming up out of the blue but on the

900
00:46:12,530 --> 00:46:10,480
other on the other hand now I've been

901
00:46:15,510 --> 00:46:12,540
working on this book here for the last

902
00:46:17,610 --> 00:46:15,520
six months or so about people who have

903
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:17,620
had adduction experiences and they've

904
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:22,450
been mauled and clawed and had all kinds

905
00:46:27,270 --> 00:46:25,210
of perverse sexual things done to them

906
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:27,280
and they don't feel that this is a very

907
00:46:32,100 --> 00:46:29,410
positive thing that's happened to them

908
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:32,110
you do have a lot of cases we've had

909
00:46:36,390 --> 00:46:35,050
five we've had five to 15 percent of the

910
00:46:38,670 --> 00:46:36,400
people depending on the questions that

911
00:46:40,470 --> 00:46:38,680
were asked that stated that the

912
00:46:43,530 --> 00:46:40,480
experiences were were negative

913
00:46:46,020 --> 00:46:43,540
okay now the people who never had any

914
00:46:50,310 --> 00:46:46,030
continued experiences they remain highly

915
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:50,320
negative okay and you know we're talking

916
00:46:56,070 --> 00:46:53,530
now 4,200 people yes okay

917
00:47:00,450 --> 00:46:56,080
so what we want to say is that we didn't

918
00:47:02,220 --> 00:47:00,460
invent this cuff up okay well I'm not

919
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:02,230
saying that you did on this work but say

920
00:47:16,170 --> 00:47:11,890
that you invented it is not on when

921
00:47:18,330 --> 00:47:16,180
commercial commercial break commercial

922
00:47:19,970 --> 00:47:18,340
break is here we'll be right back yeah

923
00:47:34,470 --> 00:47:19,980
more of exploring the bizarre

924
00:47:41,420 --> 00:47:38,760
explore the bazaars are your e-ticket

925
00:47:44,730 --> 00:47:41,430
ride into the world of the paranormal

926
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:44,740
strap yourself in as we traverse the

927
00:47:53,460 --> 00:47:49,050
universe exploring the unexplained UFO s

928
00:47:57,630 --> 00:47:53,470
ghosts Lost Worlds cryptozoology waters

929
00:48:02,099 --> 00:47:57,640
as well as other dimensions it's time to

930
00:48:04,349 --> 00:48:02,109
take back the night last night now your

931
00:48:13,700 --> 00:48:04,359
electrifying hosts of exploring the

932
00:48:18,990 --> 00:48:15,990
welcome back to the second hour of

933
00:48:24,240 --> 00:48:19,000
exploring the bizarre right here on K Co

934
00:48:25,650 --> 00:48:24,250
our I'm Tim Schwartz and dr. irene scott

935
00:48:29,609 --> 00:48:25,660
we're gonna bring you back into the

936
00:48:33,750 --> 00:48:29,619
conversation now one of the things that

937
00:48:37,620 --> 00:48:33,760
has always fascinated me about the UFO

938
00:48:41,069 --> 00:48:37,630
phenomena and I'm happy to see that that

939
00:48:47,030 --> 00:48:41,079
you've covered this are quite quite

940
00:48:51,359 --> 00:48:47,040
intensively in your book is how unusual

941
00:48:55,530 --> 00:48:51,369
light phenomena really goes hand-in-hand

942
00:49:00,120 --> 00:48:55,540
with with UFOs I mean it's it's it's

943
00:49:04,170 --> 00:49:00,130
rare that you hear about a UFO sighting

944
00:49:10,290 --> 00:49:04,180
that it's not glowing or covered with

945
00:49:16,859 --> 00:49:10,300
lights or beaming out a res of light a

946
00:49:19,500 --> 00:49:16,869
lot of contactees people who come into

947
00:49:22,109 --> 00:49:19,510
contact with the creatures that come out

948
00:49:23,940 --> 00:49:22,119
of UFOs a lot of times they say that

949
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:23,950
their experience starts when they're

950
00:49:33,359 --> 00:49:29,290
blinded by a flash of light people as as

951
00:49:36,030 --> 00:49:33,369
you say in your book people see small

952
00:49:38,460 --> 00:49:36,040
balls of lights you know flying around

953
00:49:41,550 --> 00:49:38,470
their rooms almost like people used to

954
00:49:45,900 --> 00:49:41,560
describe like the the fairies and and we

955
00:49:48,049 --> 00:49:45,910
folk flitting around the forest glowing

956
00:49:54,809 --> 00:49:48,059
in the dark

957
00:49:58,559 --> 00:49:54,819
what what do you think I mean what do

958
00:50:01,469 --> 00:49:58,569
you think is the significance of unusual

959
00:50:06,509 --> 00:50:01,479
light phenomena and an association with

960
00:50:11,309 --> 00:50:06,519
the UFOs well that's the million-dollar

961
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:11,319
question isn't it I've had more

962
00:50:16,979 --> 00:50:14,650
experience with UFOs and I have with I

963
00:50:19,620 --> 00:50:16,989
don't even know if I've had experience

964
00:50:22,259 --> 00:50:19,630
with beings or anything and I've also

965
00:50:24,900 --> 00:50:22,269
been contacted with Leo sprinkle and

966
00:50:29,190 --> 00:50:24,910
Kathleen Martin about Hopkins and others

967
00:50:32,819 --> 00:50:29,200
that said I may be a contact T or an

968
00:50:35,009 --> 00:50:32,829
experiencer or may be abducted but I've

969
00:50:37,769 --> 00:50:35,019
never been able to be hypnotized so

970
00:50:40,170 --> 00:50:37,779
that's another thing but I had the

971
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:40,180
experiences in general with other people

972
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:42,690
so I'm pretty sure they were real and

973
00:50:49,589 --> 00:50:46,930
one of the first ones I had was when my

974
00:50:52,380 --> 00:50:49,599
sister and I are real young we were I

975
00:50:54,509 --> 00:50:52,390
think she was not in school yet so we

976
00:51:00,509 --> 00:50:54,519
were about four or five or six or seven

977
00:51:03,839 --> 00:51:00,519
and we had this we went to sleep like

978
00:51:06,749 --> 00:51:03,849
normal people and woke up and this

979
00:51:09,059 --> 00:51:06,759
object was flying around their room we

980
00:51:14,279 --> 00:51:09,069
were had beds on either side of the room

981
00:51:16,289 --> 00:51:14,289
and it looked like hot metal and we had

982
00:51:18,959 --> 00:51:16,299
no idea what it is we had never heard of

983
00:51:21,749 --> 00:51:18,969
UFOs or lightning balls or anything else

984
00:51:26,039 --> 00:51:21,759
at the time but it was flying around the

985
00:51:28,380 --> 00:51:26,049
room and after a while we just watched

986
00:51:30,779 --> 00:51:28,390
it having no idea what it was and we

987
00:51:33,599 --> 00:51:30,789
weren't talking to each other but after

988
00:51:40,140 --> 00:51:33,609
a while I noticed that seemed to be

989
00:51:42,539 --> 00:51:40,150
guided that it would avoid obstacles it

990
00:51:45,349 --> 00:51:42,549
turned up if it went toward a wall or

991
00:51:49,439 --> 00:51:45,359
something in turn about a foot away and

992
00:51:51,630 --> 00:51:49,449
so I thought this is anama rather than

993
00:51:53,999 --> 00:51:51,640
just an inanimate thing flying around

994
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:54,009
because it seemed to be guided and it

995
00:51:57,870 --> 00:51:56,170
went through a complex series at first

996
00:52:00,810 --> 00:51:57,880
of all it is just demander meandering

997
00:52:03,030 --> 00:52:00,820
around like it was browsing and it never

998
00:52:04,860 --> 00:52:03,040
and offer anything and then it flipped

999
00:52:07,140 --> 00:52:04,870
his ceiling but didn't hit the ceiling

1000
00:52:10,410 --> 00:52:07,150
flew across the room to a chandelier

1001
00:52:13,740 --> 00:52:10,420
which was off it was a clear night no

1002
00:52:17,970 --> 00:52:13,750
lightning or anything else and it

1003
00:52:20,670 --> 00:52:17,980
circled the chandelier and then came

1004
00:52:22,290 --> 00:52:20,680
down in a spiral below well my sister

1005
00:52:24,210 --> 00:52:22,300
and I just been watching it we weren't

1006
00:52:26,580 --> 00:52:24,220
talking to each other or anything didn't

1007
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:26,590
I didn't know she was awake and then

1008
00:52:32,660 --> 00:52:28,050
suddenly we just became absolutely

1009
00:52:36,540 --> 00:52:32,670
terrified and ran from the room and

1010
00:52:39,180 --> 00:52:36,550
fortunately we were booked there so we

1011
00:52:41,070 --> 00:52:39,190
had somebody to compare our experience

1012
00:52:42,750 --> 00:52:41,080
with because it was something real

1013
00:52:44,610 --> 00:52:42,760
because the book saw it even though we

1014
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:44,620
weren't talking to each other and even

1015
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:46,290
though we didn't have a framework to

1016
00:52:52,380 --> 00:52:50,050
interpret it but I wondered since then

1017
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:52,390
if there might have been some kind of

1018
00:53:00,690 --> 00:52:55,810
mind control going on at that very early

1019
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:00,700
age in our life because we both woke up

1020
00:53:06,090 --> 00:53:03,130
at the same time we both became

1021
00:53:08,250 --> 00:53:06,100
terrified at the same time and there

1022
00:53:12,270 --> 00:53:08,260
wasn't any reason to think it was a

1023
00:53:15,930 --> 00:53:12,280
lightning ball we had no idea how it

1024
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:15,940
went got into the room but many years

1025
00:53:23,060 --> 00:53:19,450
later I read Jenny Randall's book her

1026
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:23,070
writings about bedroom visitations of

1027
00:53:30,620 --> 00:53:27,010
children and apparently some children

1028
00:53:34,170 --> 00:53:30,630
have these objects in their bedroom and

1029
00:53:39,090 --> 00:53:34,180
then some of them have experiences later

1030
00:53:41,190 --> 00:53:39,100
and we did too and so when it comes to I

1031
00:53:43,890 --> 00:53:41,200
may have been in some of those quizzes

1032
00:53:45,300 --> 00:53:43,900
but when it comes to transformation of

1033
00:53:48,330 --> 00:53:45,310
your personality and things like that

1034
00:53:50,610 --> 00:53:48,340
well this happens so young that I

1035
00:53:51,980 --> 00:53:50,620
probably didn't have a personality or

1036
00:53:57,480 --> 00:53:51,990
anything so I don't know who I was

1037
00:54:00,330 --> 00:53:57,490
transformed or not but then we had a

1038
00:54:02,370 --> 00:54:00,340
real repressive family and we were

1039
00:54:06,990 --> 00:54:02,380
allowed to talk about UFOs when we found

1040
00:54:09,390 --> 00:54:07,000
out about him but a number of years

1041
00:54:12,660 --> 00:54:09,400
later we both had other experiences and

1042
00:54:14,579 --> 00:54:12,670
what was unusual was that my sister and

1043
00:54:19,049 --> 00:54:14,589
I had both childhood experience

1044
00:54:23,759 --> 00:54:19,059
and then adult experiences and in 1968

1045
00:54:26,069 --> 00:54:23,769
July the 13th we had another birthday my

1046
00:54:31,190 --> 00:54:26,079
birthday I'm sure that sorry we have

1047
00:54:35,279 --> 00:54:31,200
very relevant synchronicity

1048
00:54:37,319 --> 00:54:35,289
synchronicity 101 yes yes go ahead but

1049
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:37,329
anyway we were we were both living on

1050
00:54:46,109 --> 00:54:40,210
the Seacoast I and I was working at DIA

1051
00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:46,119
with a position of PhD position in photo

1052
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:50,249
interpretation where you had identified

1053
00:54:54,839 --> 00:54:52,930
aircrafts above a particular area and I

1054
00:54:58,380 --> 00:54:54,849
had security clearances above top-secret

1055
00:55:01,650 --> 00:54:58,390
and everything so I'm certifiably saying

1056
00:55:03,989 --> 00:55:01,660
because I had this really good security

1057
00:55:07,469 --> 00:55:03,999
clearance and my sister was living and

1058
00:55:10,769 --> 00:55:07,479
going to post graduate school and since

1059
00:55:14,309 --> 00:55:10,779
we were both on the Eastern seacoast we

1060
00:55:15,329 --> 00:55:14,319
decided to go up and look around see the

1061
00:55:17,670 --> 00:55:15,339
New England states

1062
00:55:20,609 --> 00:55:17,680
and we were going to go to Boston I was

1063
00:55:24,380 --> 00:55:20,619
in Washington DC and she was in at Drew

1064
00:55:29,900 --> 00:55:24,390
University in Madison Wisconsin Madison

1065
00:55:32,759 --> 00:55:29,910
New Jersey and so we drove up to Boston

1066
00:55:35,279 --> 00:55:32,769
and it was daylight when we got there

1067
00:55:38,279 --> 00:55:35,289
and so he decided to look around and we

1068
00:55:43,289 --> 00:55:38,289
went up north into New Hampshire and I

1069
00:55:46,229 --> 00:55:43,299
took some pictures and it turned out

1070
00:55:48,299 --> 00:55:46,239
later I found out that this was the same

1071
00:55:51,930 --> 00:55:48,309
place that Betty and Barney Hill had

1072
00:55:56,880 --> 00:55:51,940
seen part of their abduction and so we

1073
00:55:58,650 --> 00:55:56,890
went back to Boston and we were dry we

1074
00:56:02,459 --> 00:55:58,660
couldn't find a motel and so we started

1075
00:56:05,459 --> 00:56:02,469
driving out of Boston and we look to the

1076
00:56:08,309 --> 00:56:05,469
south we saw this funny light we could

1077
00:56:14,969 --> 00:56:08,319
see airplanes coming in there was an

1078
00:56:16,829 --> 00:56:14,979
airport nearby Norwood mrs. Municipal

1079
00:56:21,930 --> 00:56:16,839
Airport I think was and we could see

1080
00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:21,940
airplanes landing but the object was

1081
00:56:27,569 --> 00:56:25,210
just following a meandering trail and it

1082
00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:27,579
was blinking but not like strobe lights

1083
00:56:30,839 --> 00:56:28,450
it was very

1084
00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:30,849
slow blinking it was a very white light

1085
00:56:36,329 --> 00:56:34,170
and so we were falling it along and

1086
00:56:37,980 --> 00:56:36,339
wondering what it was and arguing

1087
00:56:39,810 --> 00:56:37,990
because she kept saying this is odd I

1088
00:56:41,339 --> 00:56:39,820
kept saying it's a helicopter with its

1089
00:56:43,650 --> 00:56:41,349
landing light something I had no idea

1090
00:56:47,010 --> 00:56:43,660
what it was but being a scientific

1091
00:56:49,319 --> 00:56:47,020
person I was explaining it and so as we

1092
00:56:53,910 --> 00:56:49,329
were driving down Route 95 here we get

1093
00:56:57,839 --> 00:56:53,920
into the light phenomena to the west

1094
00:57:01,410 --> 00:56:57,849
side of the road there was a Woods and I

1095
00:57:02,940 --> 00:57:01,420
saw this basketball-sized I think it was

1096
00:57:08,130 --> 00:57:02,950
basketball-sized I couldn't tell for

1097
00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:08,140
sure it was night object that it was

1098
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:11,650
like a glass thing that enclosed a light

1099
00:57:17,910 --> 00:57:13,810
and the light kept going to a spectrum

1100
00:57:20,010 --> 00:57:17,920
of like all shades of blue and all

1101
00:57:23,130 --> 00:57:20,020
shades of red and then all shades of

1102
00:57:25,170 --> 00:57:23,140
looking and it sort of had like the

1103
00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:25,180
thing around the bar or something that

1104
00:57:29,790 --> 00:57:27,130
seemed to be rotating well I had no idea

1105
00:57:32,069 --> 00:57:29,800
what it was and I neither of us knew

1106
00:57:35,790 --> 00:57:32,079
much about UFOs at the time either and

1107
00:57:39,690 --> 00:57:35,800
so I hate it we just didn't know but

1108
00:57:43,700 --> 00:57:39,700
anyway as we were driving by it the

1109
00:57:46,980 --> 00:57:43,710
inside of the car lit up in green I

1110
00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:46,990
didn't understand this at all and I

1111
00:57:52,260 --> 00:57:48,730
thought there must be a beam shining

1112
00:57:54,599 --> 00:57:52,270
into the car because the car was lit up

1113
00:57:56,910 --> 00:57:54,609
the inside the car was looking green but

1114
00:57:58,920 --> 00:57:56,920
I couldn't see any green anyplace I

1115
00:58:01,200 --> 00:57:58,930
couldn't see a beam pointing at me for

1116
00:58:02,940 --> 00:58:01,210
any place and I thought it if there was

1117
00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:02,950
a beam it should be from that ball of

1118
00:58:08,700 --> 00:58:05,170
light on the ground that object on the

1119
00:58:11,359 --> 00:58:08,710
ground but I saw no beam and the object

1120
00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:11,369
on the ground never had green it was

1121
00:58:20,670 --> 00:58:18,730
blue and red and so we were still

1122
00:58:24,210 --> 00:58:20,680
looking at this thing up in the air and

1123
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:24,220
we kept on going and finally my sister

1124
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:26,890
started yelling at me saying it's gonna

1125
00:58:33,530 --> 00:58:31,450
go over the road and so I stopped and

1126
00:58:36,180 --> 00:58:33,540
got out and she said at that time that

1127
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:36,190
the inside the car lit up again in

1128
00:58:41,910 --> 00:58:38,890
either a strange light or blue light or

1129
00:58:43,890 --> 00:58:41,920
something I couldn't see I didn't

1130
00:58:45,900 --> 00:58:43,900
know that they didn't know about it

1131
00:58:47,640 --> 00:58:45,910
until about five or six years later

1132
00:58:50,790 --> 00:58:47,650
because we didn't see each other for

1133
00:58:53,610 --> 00:58:50,800
quite a while after that but I got out

1134
00:58:57,390 --> 00:58:53,620
and I saw this what looked like a meteor

1135
00:58:59,780 --> 00:58:57,400
and then this object came over the road

1136
00:59:04,230 --> 00:58:59,790
and at that time I agreed with her

1137
00:59:08,340 --> 00:59:04,240
because it was a big thing it had seven

1138
00:59:10,230 --> 00:59:08,350
square windows along this side and at

1139
00:59:11,700 --> 00:59:10,240
the time I wondered if these are windows

1140
00:59:15,150 --> 00:59:11,710
or panels and we had a lot of

1141
00:59:16,650 --> 00:59:15,160
experiencing blimps because we lived on

1142
00:59:19,290 --> 00:59:16,660
a farm and there was a freeway through

1143
00:59:22,080 --> 00:59:19,300
the farm and blips followed the freeway

1144
00:59:23,190 --> 00:59:22,090
so we had we'd seen him at night and

1145
00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:23,200
with lights on their sides and

1146
00:59:29,220 --> 00:59:25,330
everything else and this wasn't anything

1147
00:59:31,490 --> 00:59:29,230
like a blimp it had seven windows and on

1148
00:59:35,160 --> 00:59:31,500
the end of the road windows there was a

1149
00:59:38,450 --> 00:59:35,170
very small red light and a very small

1150
00:59:43,190 --> 00:59:38,460
green light that weren't blinking and

1151
00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:43,200
the windows were blinking in a pattern

1152
00:59:50,970 --> 00:59:47,290
and my sister thought was a signal but

1153
00:59:54,600 --> 00:59:50,980
we thought it's we couldn't see anything

1154
00:59:57,990 --> 00:59:54,610
we couldn't see eight beings in it but

1155
01:00:00,930 --> 00:59:58,000
we thought that was like the walls are

1156
01:00:05,010 --> 01:00:00,940
glowing or the inside was just really

1157
01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:05,020
filled with bright light and I thought

1158
01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:07,930
this was amazing because it was right

1159
01:00:13,740 --> 01:00:09,850
there my sister thought it was about 70

1160
01:00:16,200 --> 01:00:13,750
feet above us and we could see inside of

1161
01:00:18,810 --> 01:00:16,210
it and so I had a camera and film they

1162
01:00:20,700 --> 01:00:18,820
were separate and it was a poor camera

1163
01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:20,710
it was hard to load but I had high-speed

1164
01:00:24,540 --> 01:00:23,050
film with me and so I began loading the

1165
01:00:27,260 --> 01:00:24,550
camera because I thought this is just

1166
01:00:29,700 --> 01:00:27,270
amazing I'm looking inside a UFO and

1167
01:00:33,030 --> 01:00:29,710
just that that just when I was ready to

1168
01:00:35,540 --> 01:00:33,040
take the picture a truck driver drove it

1169
01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:35,550
parked in front of us and came back and

1170
01:00:40,170 --> 01:00:38,170
this I don't know if this is some kind

1171
01:00:43,830 --> 01:00:40,180
of a being or not or what was going on

1172
01:00:46,230 --> 01:00:43,840
but he came up and he was standing

1173
01:00:49,410 --> 01:00:46,240
beside me and he asked what we were

1174
01:00:51,450 --> 01:00:49,420
doing and here I thought you I thought

1175
01:00:53,520 --> 01:00:51,460
he would stop to see whatever we were

1176
01:00:55,920 --> 01:00:53,530
looking at and I couldn't understand why

1177
01:00:57,840 --> 01:00:55,930
I couldn't see it and so he asked

1178
01:01:00,420 --> 01:00:57,850
what are you doing and I pointed to it

1179
01:01:02,190 --> 01:01:00,430
and asked what it was I didn't say UFO

1180
01:01:04,260 --> 01:01:02,200
or anything like that because you know

1181
01:01:07,950 --> 01:01:04,270
he was a man and we were there in night

1182
01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:07,960
and so he turned around the exact

1183
01:01:12,330 --> 01:01:09,610
opposite direction of where I was

1184
01:01:14,760 --> 01:01:12,340
playing I looked at the same altitude he

1185
01:01:17,720 --> 01:01:14,770
said I don't see anything and then he

1186
01:01:20,640 --> 01:01:17,730
just rotated back and looked at me and

1187
01:01:23,190 --> 01:01:20,650
just the same expression and voice he

1188
01:01:25,860 --> 01:01:23,200
said what are you looking at and again I

1189
01:01:27,240 --> 01:01:25,870
pointed and asked what is this because

1190
01:01:29,760 --> 01:01:27,250
it was an airport there and you know

1191
01:01:31,530 --> 01:01:29,770
maybe it was a plane and so he did the

1192
01:01:33,630 --> 01:01:31,540
same thing he turn around the opposite

1193
01:01:36,210 --> 01:01:33,640
direction pointing his head in about the

1194
01:01:38,820 --> 01:01:36,220
same altitude and said I don't see

1195
01:01:42,840 --> 01:01:38,830
anything and then he turned back any

1196
01:01:46,260 --> 01:01:42,850
point of days had like I thought it

1197
01:01:48,990 --> 01:01:46,270
suggested I was crazy and I realized

1198
01:01:52,470 --> 01:01:49,000
after my book was published I thought of

1199
01:01:54,840 --> 01:01:52,480
this but the man had to know where the

1200
01:01:56,790 --> 01:01:54,850
thing was because he turned around

1201
01:01:59,520 --> 01:01:56,800
looking the opposite direction if he

1202
01:02:01,980 --> 01:01:59,530
didn't know where it was he would search

1203
01:02:03,840 --> 01:02:01,990
around where I was playing he wouldn't

1204
01:02:07,650 --> 01:02:03,850
turn around the opposite direction and

1205
01:02:15,660 --> 01:02:07,660
so I think he was some kind of related

1206
01:02:16,110 --> 01:02:15,670
to the update we were saying but I mean

1207
01:02:19,620 --> 01:02:16,120
I just

1208
01:02:21,840 --> 01:02:19,630
he was pretty weird but anyway as we

1209
01:02:24,840 --> 01:02:21,850
were watching the object started

1210
01:02:26,730 --> 01:02:24,850
circling the airport and we didn't know

1211
01:02:28,890 --> 01:02:26,740
where it was going to go after that and

1212
01:02:33,080 --> 01:02:28,900
we were pointed car was pointed south

1213
01:02:36,780 --> 01:02:33,090
and so I thought I will go down to the

1214
01:02:38,520 --> 01:02:36,790
freeway and turn around and come back

1215
01:02:40,590 --> 01:02:38,530
because I thought it might go north even

1216
01:02:43,050 --> 01:02:40,600
though it had been going south and so I

1217
01:02:46,050 --> 01:02:43,060
pulled onto the freeway then this truck

1218
01:02:49,160 --> 01:02:46,060
I forgot right behind me just real close

1219
01:02:52,350 --> 01:02:49,170
like right on my bumper and being his

1220
01:02:57,210 --> 01:02:52,360
bright lights into my mirror and I

1221
01:02:59,190 --> 01:02:57,220
couldn't see anything so I was and he

1222
01:03:01,170 --> 01:02:59,200
was definitely chasing us because I

1223
01:03:03,150 --> 01:03:01,180
would switch lanes and things like that

1224
01:03:05,250 --> 01:03:03,160
he would switch lanes and he stayed

1225
01:03:08,130 --> 01:03:05,260
right on my bumper be beaming these

1226
01:03:09,900 --> 01:03:08,140
headlights into my mirror and I was

1227
01:03:12,569 --> 01:03:09,910
blinded and

1228
01:03:14,520 --> 01:03:12,579
so I trying to floor the accelerator and

1229
01:03:17,220 --> 01:03:14,530
started going and he stayed right there

1230
01:03:21,359 --> 01:03:17,230
and finally I decided how to get rid of

1231
01:03:24,539 --> 01:03:21,369
and might be to suddenly swerve off from

1232
01:03:27,029 --> 01:03:24,549
the left-hand side of the road without

1233
01:03:29,160 --> 01:03:27,039
giving any signal or anything maybe we

1234
01:03:30,809 --> 01:03:29,170
could get rid of it and this was a very

1235
01:03:32,520 --> 01:03:30,819
dangerous thing to do because somebody

1236
01:03:34,770 --> 01:03:32,530
was passing us on the right side it

1237
01:03:37,740 --> 01:03:34,780
would have been a collision and so I did

1238
01:03:42,089 --> 01:03:37,750
that and we survived and then I went

1239
01:03:44,520 --> 01:03:42,099
back toward and it would object was

1240
01:03:46,289 --> 01:03:44,530
still circling the airport and it had an

1241
01:03:47,760 --> 01:03:46,299
interesting circle were part of the

1242
01:03:48,799 --> 01:03:47,770
circle it was so fast you couldn't even

1243
01:03:52,980 --> 01:03:48,809
see it

1244
01:03:59,130 --> 01:03:52,990
so we went past it and then it did start

1245
01:04:03,690 --> 01:03:59,140
going north EEE Northwest and I went

1246
01:04:08,010 --> 01:04:03,700
past the place where the object on the

1247
01:04:11,910 --> 01:04:08,020
ground was and the inside the cart lit

1248
01:04:14,130 --> 01:04:11,920
up in green again and then it was hard

1249
01:04:16,260 --> 01:04:14,140
to follow because it was going Northwest

1250
01:04:16,920 --> 01:04:16,270
and the roads went north and south and

1251
01:04:19,559 --> 01:04:16,930
east and west

1252
01:04:24,420 --> 01:04:19,569
so we zigzag to well and finally I wound

1253
01:04:29,519 --> 01:04:24,430
up on this really bad road with whose

1254
01:04:31,260 --> 01:04:29,529
gravel with bumps and holes the houses

1255
01:04:33,510 --> 01:04:31,270
were so far away couldn't even see each

1256
01:04:35,579 --> 01:04:33,520
other and I kept following it but just

1257
01:04:38,910 --> 01:04:35,589
went a little bit faster and I could go

1258
01:04:41,670 --> 01:04:38,920
with my car and so I turned around went

1259
01:04:48,750 --> 01:04:41,680
back and then we drove all the way back

1260
01:04:51,630 --> 01:04:48,760
to Madison and later but Hopkinson asked

1261
01:04:54,089 --> 01:04:51,640
me for a timetable we'd both forgotten

1262
01:04:56,460 --> 01:04:54,099
our watches at the time and I made a

1263
01:04:59,519 --> 01:04:56,470
timetable and it looked like we might

1264
01:05:04,490 --> 01:04:59,529
have had some missing time and that was

1265
01:05:08,400 --> 01:05:04,500
one of our adult sightings and a lot of

1266
01:05:10,019 --> 01:05:08,410
strange lights in it well how come how

1267
01:05:12,839 --> 01:05:10,029
come do you think it's just now this

1268
01:05:14,099 --> 01:05:12,849
individual the truck driver I mean do

1269
01:05:17,190 --> 01:05:14,109
you think he really was a truck driver

1270
01:05:19,109 --> 01:05:17,200
or was that something that was projected

1271
01:05:22,140 --> 01:05:19,119
in to your mind maybe they wanted to

1272
01:05:23,609 --> 01:05:22,150
take your attention off the object at at

1273
01:05:24,870 --> 01:05:23,619
some point

1274
01:05:27,029 --> 01:05:24,880
well he definitely stopped me from

1275
01:05:28,979 --> 01:05:27,039
taking a picture I later was able to get

1276
01:05:30,900 --> 01:05:28,989
a picture I was very interested I mean I

1277
01:05:33,299 --> 01:05:30,910
was a photo interpreter I knew I

1278
01:05:34,859 --> 01:05:33,309
couldn't prove that UFOs existed but I

1279
01:05:36,900 --> 01:05:34,869
wanted to get the picture because I

1280
01:05:40,259 --> 01:05:36,910
thought it was a light from inside the

1281
01:05:43,200 --> 01:05:40,269
UFO but I didn't get the big seven

1282
01:05:44,759 --> 01:05:43,210
windows but I mean this is I've been

1283
01:05:48,209 --> 01:05:44,769
thinking about this since my book was

1284
01:05:49,829 --> 01:05:48,219
published and yes I think he you know

1285
01:05:51,930 --> 01:05:49,839
all along I was thinking maybe this is

1286
01:05:54,150 --> 01:05:51,940
just some kind of coincidence although

1287
01:05:56,910 --> 01:05:54,160
I'm sure it wasn't but yeah I think he

1288
01:06:00,120 --> 01:05:56,920
had something to do with the UFO and my

1289
01:06:01,829 --> 01:06:00,130
sister said in her report that we wrote

1290
01:06:05,489 --> 01:06:01,839
independently because we hadn't really

1291
01:06:07,489 --> 01:06:05,499
talked about that about this the same

1292
01:06:10,769 --> 01:06:07,499
time I was trying to take the picture or

1293
01:06:12,930 --> 01:06:10,779
talking to him that the object that we

1294
01:06:15,930 --> 01:06:12,940
were watching suddenly got into another

1295
01:06:20,279 --> 01:06:15,940
place and I didn't understand that but

1296
01:06:22,650 --> 01:06:20,289
she wrote it in three reports the I mean

1297
01:06:25,019 --> 01:06:22,660
when I started to take the picture it

1298
01:06:27,359 --> 01:06:25,029
was a big thing with seven windows and I

1299
01:06:30,809 --> 01:06:27,369
can look inside of it and everything

1300
01:06:33,989 --> 01:06:30,819
and then I talked to this man and then

1301
01:06:36,959 --> 01:06:33,999
she said about that time that it just

1302
01:06:40,200 --> 01:06:36,969
suddenly was someplace else and she

1303
01:06:43,529 --> 01:06:40,210
thought it moved real fast and then I

1304
01:06:45,299 --> 01:06:43,539
was still I didn't notice that and I was

1305
01:06:49,609 --> 01:06:45,309
still trying to take a picture so I ran

1306
01:06:52,380 --> 01:06:49,619
up a hill and did take some pictures but

1307
01:06:55,349 --> 01:06:52,390
how long was the duration of the whole

1308
01:06:57,660 --> 01:06:55,359
experience it was quite a while because

1309
01:06:59,880 --> 01:06:57,670
we did a lot of driving and miles and

1310
01:07:03,870 --> 01:06:59,890
miles and it was probably between an

1311
01:07:06,930 --> 01:07:03,880
hour an hour two hours that we observed

1312
01:07:08,880 --> 01:07:06,940
it and you didn't pass a lot of traffic

1313
01:07:11,729 --> 01:07:08,890
on the road I mean this was the the

1314
01:07:15,120 --> 01:07:11,739
truck the so-called truck driver was one

1315
01:07:17,759 --> 01:07:15,130
of the few with the contact you had

1316
01:07:19,620 --> 01:07:17,769
without well of anyone else during this

1317
01:07:21,150 --> 01:07:19,630
I mean they were dealt right traffic did

1318
01:07:22,950 --> 01:07:21,160
in the stall people weren't pulled over

1319
01:07:25,259 --> 01:07:22,960
to the side of the road nobody else

1320
01:07:28,920 --> 01:07:25,269
seemed to be noticing this well that's

1321
01:07:31,289 --> 01:07:28,930
why I was arguing as my sister was when

1322
01:07:33,479 --> 01:07:31,299
we were first seeing it she said this is

1323
01:07:35,759 --> 01:07:33,489
on and I kept telling her that if it

1324
01:07:37,109 --> 01:07:35,769
were a UFO that all the police and all

1325
01:07:38,759 --> 01:07:37,119
the you know bye

1326
01:07:41,400 --> 01:07:38,769
departments and everything else in TV

1327
01:07:43,680 --> 01:07:41,410
would be out watching it and so I

1328
01:07:48,630 --> 01:07:43,690
thought it couldn't possibly be a UFO

1329
01:07:50,900 --> 01:07:48,640
but then it was I think we started

1330
01:07:57,900 --> 01:07:50,910
seeing about 11 o'clock at night and

1331
01:07:59,640 --> 01:07:57,910
this was 1968 and there was traffic but

1332
01:08:06,779 --> 01:07:59,650
there wasn't a vast amount of traffic

1333
01:08:09,809 --> 01:08:06,789
yes we had we had one report that I know

1334
01:08:12,359 --> 01:08:09,819
I interviewed two of the witnesses they

1335
01:08:14,039 --> 01:08:12,369
were - oh I think they were in their

1336
01:08:16,559 --> 01:08:14,049
late teens early 20s say they were

1337
01:08:20,610 --> 01:08:16,569
driving let me get this right between

1338
01:08:23,030 --> 01:08:20,620
like San Diego and Mont Montana I think

1339
01:08:25,530 --> 01:08:23,040
it was or maybe Wyoming and they had

1340
01:08:28,829 --> 01:08:25,540
somewhat of a similar experience where

1341
01:08:32,039 --> 01:08:28,839
these lights began pacing the the

1342
01:08:34,740 --> 01:08:32,049
automobile that they were in and then

1343
01:08:38,490 --> 01:08:34,750
they even had a couple of the objects

1344
01:08:40,470 --> 01:08:38,500
turn into the into trucks or maybe it

1345
01:08:41,999 --> 01:08:40,480
was vice-versa where the trucks turned

1346
01:08:47,059 --> 01:08:42,009
into the object and then at one point

1347
01:08:49,649 --> 01:08:47,069
they even had some sort of animal like a

1348
01:08:51,390 --> 01:08:49,659
dog with glowing eyes appeared in the

1349
01:08:54,030 --> 01:08:51,400
back of the car

1350
01:08:55,709 --> 01:08:54,040
we've had a lot of these well I I can't

1351
01:08:58,530 --> 01:08:55,719
say a lot but we've had quite a number

1352
01:09:02,999 --> 01:08:58,540
of these reports where strange things do

1353
01:09:06,479 --> 01:09:03,009
seem to take a place along the the

1354
01:09:08,579 --> 01:09:06,489
highway or the back roads and there's no

1355
01:09:11,879 --> 01:09:08,589
explanation for it but the odd thing is

1356
01:09:14,879 --> 01:09:11,889
is that not everybody will witness what

1357
01:09:17,340 --> 01:09:14,889
is taking place or if they do sometimes

1358
01:09:21,300 --> 01:09:17,350
they reported in a slightly different

1359
01:09:23,099 --> 01:09:21,310
way well I wouldn't have even thought

1360
01:09:26,249 --> 01:09:23,109
about because I thought this was so

1361
01:09:29,249 --> 01:09:26,259
obvious it couldn't be anything because

1362
01:09:31,499 --> 01:09:29,259
there was nobody else watching it and so

1363
01:09:33,629 --> 01:09:31,509
you know fortunately my sister was

1364
01:09:37,320 --> 01:09:33,639
watching it a lot more intensely and I

1365
01:09:39,390 --> 01:09:37,330
was and figuring out things which I

1366
01:09:42,300 --> 01:09:39,400
would have I don't think I'd have even

1367
01:09:44,340 --> 01:09:42,310
stopped if it hadn't been for her but

1368
01:09:47,579 --> 01:09:44,350
also they say these experiences are

1369
01:09:49,829 --> 01:09:47,589
positive but in that case I think that

1370
01:09:51,039 --> 01:09:49,839
man was trying to kill us but he

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01:09:53,799 --> 01:09:51,049
certainly made a good at

1372
01:09:56,649 --> 01:09:53,809
that I I mean what he did could have

1373
01:09:59,350 --> 01:09:56,659
killed us and he was also you know

1374
01:10:01,660 --> 01:09:59,360
telling me I'm crazy which you know I

1375
01:10:03,280 --> 01:10:01,670
don't know I don't think he was just a

1376
01:10:06,069 --> 01:10:03,290
coincidence I think he had something to

1377
01:10:08,160 --> 01:10:06,079
do with the UFO but I couldn't

1378
01:10:13,330 --> 01:10:08,170
understand it too well

1379
01:10:16,149 --> 01:10:13,340
well that that that certainly is a you

1380
01:10:20,470 --> 01:10:16,159
know an interesting experience and

1381
01:10:24,490 --> 01:10:20,480
especially to hear it you know firsthand

1382
01:10:26,770 --> 01:10:24,500
how big was the the object actually

1383
01:10:30,850 --> 01:10:26,780
would you compare it to like the size of

1384
01:10:33,939 --> 01:10:30,860
the moon or something you know I don't

1385
01:10:37,990 --> 01:10:33,949
know because it was night and I don't

1386
01:10:41,319 --> 01:10:38,000
know how what size it was but we could

1387
01:10:43,629 --> 01:10:41,329
very very clearly see seven windows

1388
01:10:46,240 --> 01:10:43,639
these were square windows and the lights

1389
01:10:49,899 --> 01:10:46,250
on the end so it definitely had you know

1390
01:10:51,970 --> 01:10:49,909
form that we could see pretty well and

1391
01:10:53,620 --> 01:10:51,980
and they were anywhere there were there

1392
01:10:57,030 --> 01:10:53,630
were lights behind the window I mean you

1393
01:10:59,379 --> 01:10:57,040
could tell that it was glowing inside

1394
01:11:01,510 --> 01:10:59,389
yeah it looked like the hula inside

1395
01:11:03,790 --> 01:11:01,520
would just lit up if it's really white

1396
01:11:05,260 --> 01:11:03,800
wine all right let me interrupt you here

1397
01:11:07,120 --> 01:11:05,270
because we have to go to our bottom of

1398
01:11:17,330 --> 01:11:07,130
the hour break when we come back we'll

1399
01:11:24,060 --> 01:11:21,479
now back to exploring the bazaars with

1400
01:11:27,359 --> 01:11:24,070
two of the most electrifying researchers

1401
01:11:32,879 --> 01:11:27,369
in the Paranoid your hosts Timothy Becca

1402
01:11:35,100 --> 01:11:32,889
Lee panting sports all right welcome

1403
01:11:38,009 --> 01:11:35,110
back to the final segment of exploring

1404
01:11:41,069 --> 01:11:38,019
the bizarre I tell you Tim I mean I

1405
01:11:44,520 --> 01:11:41,079
can't believe here we are already the

1406
01:11:45,899 --> 01:11:44,530
show's almost over it's just a time just

1407
01:11:48,689 --> 01:11:45,909
really goes by when we have such a

1408
01:11:50,339 --> 01:11:48,699
fascinating guest well this has been

1409
01:11:52,529 --> 01:11:50,349
this has been a good day this has been a

1410
01:11:55,279 --> 01:11:52,539
good show as most of those most of

1411
01:11:58,229 --> 01:11:55,289
programs that we do are but I kind of

1412
01:12:01,259 --> 01:11:58,239
like this type of conversation because

1413
01:12:04,680 --> 01:12:01,269
it elevates the field

1414
01:12:08,490 --> 01:12:04,690
I mean we're gonna discuss it in more of

1415
01:12:11,310 --> 01:12:08,500
the scientific terms and possibly some

1416
01:12:13,709 --> 01:12:11,320
of our other guests are able to do but

1417
01:12:16,200 --> 01:12:13,719
we do have a variety of people on you

1418
01:12:18,390 --> 01:12:16,210
know we've gotten a lot of comments on

1419
01:12:21,479 --> 01:12:18,400
that show we did about a month ago Tim

1420
01:12:23,970 --> 01:12:21,489
on the alien artifact when we had John

1421
01:12:27,680 --> 01:12:23,980
Peel on all right boy I wish that that

1422
01:12:30,120 --> 01:12:27,690
that case could be necessarily in

1423
01:12:33,140 --> 01:12:30,130
investigative but a long time has passed

1424
01:12:35,700 --> 01:12:33,150
since he found the artifact while

1425
01:12:38,580 --> 01:12:35,710
running through the desert and of course

1426
01:12:40,740 --> 01:12:38,590
it it disappeared I won't say

1427
01:12:43,799 --> 01:12:40,750
mysteriously but it kind of vanished I

1428
01:12:45,810 --> 01:12:43,809
guess when he when he separated from his

1429
01:12:47,939 --> 01:12:45,820
wife and stuff were packed and

1430
01:12:49,770 --> 01:12:47,949
apparently put in storage or maybe they

1431
01:12:51,629 --> 01:12:49,780
weren't put in storage or thrown out or

1432
01:12:53,549 --> 01:12:51,639
what happens you know so there we got

1433
01:12:56,399 --> 01:12:53,559
the the golden goose that laid the

1434
01:13:00,390 --> 01:12:56,409
golden egg and the the a the egg is

1435
01:13:01,529 --> 01:13:00,400
missing and so is the goose well there

1436
01:13:03,299 --> 01:13:01,539
you go we can always come up with

1437
01:13:08,609 --> 01:13:03,309
another goose but maybe not the egg

1438
01:13:11,729 --> 01:13:08,619
anyway continue on well right I wanted

1439
01:13:13,859 --> 01:13:11,739
to ask you now the the title of your of

1440
01:13:17,689 --> 01:13:13,869
the book is beyond UFOs the science of

1441
01:13:22,770 --> 01:13:17,699
consciousness and contact with non-human

1442
01:13:25,630 --> 01:13:22,780
intelligence now somebody coming into

1443
01:13:27,760 --> 01:13:25,640
this now they when would they

1444
01:13:30,040 --> 01:13:27,770
here the term non-human intelligence

1445
01:13:34,780 --> 01:13:30,050
their minds would automatically go to

1446
01:13:37,480 --> 01:13:34,790
say like extraterrestrial but you know

1447
01:13:44,190 --> 01:13:37,490
the impression that I that I am getting

1448
01:13:50,200 --> 01:13:44,200
is that the term extraterrestrial may be

1449
01:13:53,170 --> 01:13:50,210
kind of a simplistic yes it is it's a

1450
01:13:56,950 --> 01:13:53,180
very simplistic term because just like

1451
01:13:58,870 --> 01:13:56,960
jacque de l'Est what we hypothesize in

1452
01:14:01,690 --> 01:13:58,880
our research findings is that this

1453
01:14:04,600 --> 01:14:01,700
phenomenon is much more complex

1454
01:14:09,580 --> 01:14:04,610
complicated than just extraterrestrial

1455
01:14:13,870 --> 01:14:09,590
or physical crafts all of our board

1456
01:14:16,770 --> 01:14:13,880
members hypothesize including the late

1457
01:14:21,000 --> 01:14:16,780
dr. Edgar Mitchell dr. Rudi Shields and

1458
01:14:25,240 --> 01:14:21,010
the vast majority of all board members

1459
01:14:28,030 --> 01:14:25,250
hypothesize that all of the paranormal

1460
01:14:30,010 --> 01:14:28,040
contact modalities for example

1461
01:14:33,190 --> 01:14:30,020
out-of-body experiences near-death

1462
01:14:35,650 --> 01:14:33,200
experiences channeling communication

1463
01:14:38,230 --> 01:14:35,660
would go some spirits even

1464
01:14:40,780 --> 01:14:38,240
hallucinogenic journeys people that take

1465
01:14:42,870 --> 01:14:40,790
ayahuasca magic mushrooms and have

1466
01:14:45,940 --> 01:14:42,880
interactions with non-human intelligence

1467
01:14:48,340 --> 01:14:45,950
that all of these phenomenon that

1468
01:14:53,320 --> 01:14:48,350
they're all interrelated that they're

1469
01:14:55,390 --> 01:14:53,330
all one phenomenon even though many

1470
01:14:58,390 --> 01:14:55,400
individuals many researchers use them as

1471
01:15:00,370 --> 01:14:58,400
separate and distinct phenomena we

1472
01:15:02,980 --> 01:15:00,380
believe that it's all one phenomenon and

1473
01:15:05,980 --> 01:15:02,990
that the key to understanding this

1474
01:15:10,510 --> 01:15:05,990
interconnection is consciousness which

1475
01:15:12,850 --> 01:15:10,520
is how the human being interacts with

1476
01:15:18,190 --> 01:15:12,860
the cosmological construct of our

1477
01:15:20,590 --> 01:15:18,200
reality our book has two chapters that

1478
01:15:22,510 --> 01:15:20,600
deal with that theoretical aspect of it

1479
01:15:25,810 --> 01:15:22,520
one written by the late dr. Edgar

1480
01:15:28,150 --> 01:15:25,820
Mitchell title nature's mind the quantum

1481
01:15:32,560 --> 01:15:28,160
hologram and the other one is another

1482
01:15:36,569 --> 01:15:32,570
article by Rudy shields titled local and

1483
01:15:39,330 --> 01:15:36,579
non-local aspects of consciousness

1484
01:15:41,790 --> 01:15:39,340
and we're also going to be having a

1485
01:15:44,700 --> 01:15:41,800
volume to book which is going to be

1486
01:15:47,910 --> 01:15:44,710
focused mainly on the theoretical topic

1487
01:15:49,410 --> 01:15:47,920
of consciousness and context and we have

1488
01:15:53,750 --> 01:15:49,420
various academics that are writing

1489
01:15:57,689 --> 01:15:53,760
articles for that so that that's what

1490
01:16:00,870 --> 01:15:57,699
makes our organization very different

1491
01:16:03,000 --> 01:16:00,880
from the typical ufology organization is

1492
01:16:05,370 --> 01:16:03,010
that we are not a ufology organization

1493
01:16:08,370 --> 01:16:05,380
we don't have any interest in

1494
01:16:12,149 --> 01:16:08,380
researching specific in-depth case

1495
01:16:15,540 --> 01:16:12,159
studies of individual cases photos

1496
01:16:18,810 --> 01:16:15,550
researching photos or videos the the

1497
01:16:21,419 --> 01:16:18,820
materialists nuts-and-bolts approach our

1498
01:16:24,180 --> 01:16:21,429
perspective is that over the last 70

1499
01:16:26,640 --> 01:16:24,190
years that paradigm has really

1500
01:16:28,979 --> 01:16:26,650
contributed very little to the

1501
01:16:33,120 --> 01:16:28,989
understanding of the UFO contact

1502
01:16:35,729 --> 01:16:33,130
phenomenon we believe that researching

1503
01:16:38,339 --> 01:16:35,739
the experiencer the people are having

1504
01:16:40,799 --> 01:16:38,349
these experiences contact with non-human

1505
01:16:44,430 --> 01:16:40,809
intelligence not just people just seeing

1506
01:16:46,950 --> 01:16:44,440
a UFO in the sky that that in turn can

1507
01:16:49,020 --> 01:16:46,960
give us a lot more about the other is

1508
01:16:51,140 --> 01:16:49,030
commonly called the UFO contact

1509
01:16:53,700 --> 01:16:51,150
phenomenon which we prefer the term

1510
01:16:57,089 --> 01:16:53,710
unidentified aerial phenomena instead of

1511
01:16:59,430 --> 01:16:57,099
UFO and we also have Popeyes that the

1512
01:17:02,220 --> 01:16:59,440
experiencer holds the key to

1513
01:17:04,910 --> 01:17:02,230
understanding what is consciousness what

1514
01:17:08,459 --> 01:17:04,920
is the true nature of our reality

1515
01:17:10,379 --> 01:17:08,469
because when you're having more

1516
01:17:13,020 --> 01:17:10,389
individuals that are being transported

1517
01:17:15,870 --> 01:17:13,030
to other realities sort of like an

1518
01:17:18,510 --> 01:17:15,880
out-of-body experience see really into

1519
01:17:21,299 --> 01:17:18,520
other reality then people that have been

1520
01:17:24,149 --> 01:17:21,309
abducted when you've had 80% of the

1521
01:17:26,250 --> 01:17:24,159
people that answer our surveys stating

1522
01:17:30,209 --> 01:17:26,260
that they've had out-of-body experiences

1523
01:17:32,760 --> 01:17:30,219
when you've had 95 percent of these

1524
01:17:34,410 --> 01:17:32,770
individuals in our survey that have had

1525
01:17:37,500 --> 01:17:34,420
one or more different types of

1526
01:17:41,970 --> 01:17:37,510
paranormal experiences in 37 percent of

1527
01:17:44,399 --> 01:17:41,980
had near-death experiences 67 percent

1528
01:17:47,600 --> 01:17:44,409
have had telepathic communications over

1529
01:17:50,339 --> 01:17:47,610
50 percent have physically seen orbs

1530
01:17:52,169 --> 01:17:50,349
even goes

1531
01:17:54,509 --> 01:17:52,179
people are physically seen a ghost or a

1532
01:17:57,089 --> 01:17:54,519
spirit it was over 50% of these people

1533
01:17:58,259 --> 01:17:57,099
very very kind numbers of paranormal

1534
01:18:00,509 --> 01:17:58,269
type of experiences

1535
01:18:02,790 --> 01:18:00,519
well we pray though the question the

1536
01:18:05,339 --> 01:18:02,800
question the question comes up in my

1537
01:18:08,699 --> 01:18:05,349
mind is okay you're dealing with the

1538
01:18:11,239 --> 01:18:08,709
people that have these a consciousness

1539
01:18:14,489 --> 01:18:11,249
altering experiences are these

1540
01:18:16,469 --> 01:18:14,499
necessarily related to the objects that

1541
01:18:21,629 --> 01:18:16,479
the people call UFOs that are seen in

1542
01:18:25,219 --> 01:18:21,639
the sky on 100 110 % because what make

1543
01:18:29,489 --> 01:18:25,229
sure what they just say though we've had

1544
01:18:33,029 --> 01:18:29,499
more than 75% of these people had seen

1545
01:18:36,449 --> 01:18:33,039
UFOs these are all individuals that are

1546
01:18:40,859 --> 01:18:36,459
seeing a being that will are related to

1547
01:18:43,409 --> 01:18:40,869
UFOs well how many how many of them have

1548
01:18:46,949 --> 01:18:43,419
actually seen them come out of the ship

1549
01:18:49,830 --> 01:18:46,959
let's say for example well rarely do you

1550
01:18:52,049 --> 01:18:49,840
see people fear being come out of a ship

1551
01:18:54,810 --> 01:18:52,059
just like in all the stories you read on

1552
01:18:56,819 --> 01:18:54,820
the internet all these books that's not

1553
01:18:59,969 --> 01:18:56,829
the typical scenario people seeing a

1554
01:19:02,399 --> 01:18:59,979
being coming out of a ship the typical

1555
01:19:05,549 --> 01:19:02,409
scenarios are what we actually have the

1556
01:19:08,419 --> 01:19:05,559
statistics of their interactions with

1557
01:19:11,609 --> 01:19:08,429
beings where were they when these

1558
01:19:13,290 --> 01:19:11,619
situations took place very very varied

1559
01:19:14,669 --> 01:19:13,300
experiences I would have to look it up I

1560
01:19:15,929 --> 01:19:14,679
don't have it in front of me but the

1561
01:19:18,540 --> 01:19:15,939
other experiences that were in the

1562
01:19:21,179 --> 01:19:18,550
bedroom they were in the yard

1563
01:19:23,429 --> 01:19:21,189
they were on in a car traveling all of a

1564
01:19:24,959 --> 01:19:23,439
sudden they were you know transported

1565
01:19:28,379 --> 01:19:24,969
some other place well they were taken

1566
01:19:31,020 --> 01:19:28,389
out of the car I would say the number

1567
01:19:32,939 --> 01:19:31,030
one category would be in their bedroom

1568
01:19:35,580 --> 01:19:32,949
or in somewhere in their home these

1569
01:19:37,560 --> 01:19:35,590
types of physical interactions but in

1570
01:19:40,799 --> 01:19:37,570
terms of physically seeing a beam coming

1571
01:19:45,750 --> 01:19:40,809
out that's it that's not a common

1572
01:19:49,020 --> 01:19:45,760
scenario I don't know I don't know I

1573
01:19:53,099 --> 01:19:49,030
don't know well I'm just telling you

1574
01:19:55,409 --> 01:19:53,109
yeah you know this is what 4,200 people

1575
01:19:57,479 --> 01:19:55,419
have told yeah yeah yeah but Ray on the

1576
01:19:59,549 --> 01:19:57,489
other hand the 4,000 something people

1577
01:20:02,459 --> 01:19:59,559
there are million people who have had

1578
01:20:04,110 --> 01:20:02,469
interactions with UFO so I don't know is

1579
01:20:06,660 --> 01:20:04,120
it 4,000

1580
01:20:08,850 --> 01:20:06,670
instead of getting five or ten people

1581
01:20:12,060 --> 01:20:08,860
that boat Hopkins or David Jacobs wrote

1582
01:20:15,300 --> 01:20:12,070
in their hypnotic regressions okay

1583
01:20:17,520 --> 01:20:15,310
and also being highly selective and you

1584
01:20:19,230 --> 01:20:17,530
know with leading questions here you

1585
01:20:21,740 --> 01:20:19,240
have four thousand two hundred people

1586
01:20:23,550 --> 01:20:21,750
that answered over seven hundred

1587
01:20:26,610 --> 01:20:23,560
quantitative questions then wrote

1588
01:20:29,490 --> 01:20:26,620
details out so are you saying

1589
01:20:33,510 --> 01:20:29,500
are you saying then are you saying that

1590
01:20:37,640 --> 01:20:33,520
you don't accept is valid experiences

1591
01:20:41,640 --> 01:20:37,650
that happen under hypnosis our survey

1592
01:20:44,340 --> 01:20:41,650
excluded hypnotic regression we excluded

1593
01:20:48,080 --> 01:20:44,350
channeling we excluded lucid dreams

1594
01:20:51,500 --> 01:20:48,090
because even dr. John Mack stated that

1595
01:20:53,850 --> 01:20:51,510
the problems with hypnotic regressions

1596
01:20:57,630 --> 01:20:53,860
numerous problems one of them leading

1597
01:21:01,020 --> 01:20:57,640
questions bias of the researcher etc etc

1598
01:21:03,270 --> 01:21:01,030
so that's why we only requested

1599
01:21:06,680 --> 01:21:03,280
information based upon conscious

1600
01:21:11,070 --> 01:21:06,690
explicit memories so that would include

1601
01:21:15,750 --> 01:21:11,080
exclude antibody travel astral

1602
01:21:20,670 --> 01:21:15,760
projection only conscious explicit

1603
01:21:22,560 --> 01:21:20,680
memories if they perceive that as being

1604
01:21:25,190 --> 01:21:22,570
like a lot of people that have had an

1605
01:21:29,790 --> 01:21:25,200
Ahmadi experiences as very conscious

1606
01:21:35,300 --> 01:21:29,800
okay then that was included what we

1607
01:21:40,500 --> 01:21:35,310
specifically excluded was a lucid dream

1608
01:21:43,470 --> 01:21:40,510
channeling and hypnotic regressions we

1609
01:21:45,690 --> 01:21:43,480
did however in Phase three where they

1610
01:21:49,290 --> 01:21:45,700
were asked to write out the details of

1611
01:21:52,950 --> 01:21:49,300
the seventy open-ended questions we also

1612
01:21:55,980 --> 01:21:52,960
asked them to state in their responses

1613
01:21:57,750 --> 01:21:55,990
what type of memory it was and we had

1614
01:22:00,330 --> 01:21:57,760
like seventy different types of memory

1615
01:22:02,520 --> 01:22:00,340
responses seven different types of

1616
01:22:04,680 --> 01:22:02,530
memory responses where they were able to

1617
01:22:07,470 --> 01:22:04,690
say okay I had this experience etc etc

1618
01:22:10,110 --> 01:22:07,480
etc that was a lucid dream but it seemed

1619
01:22:13,440 --> 01:22:10,120
very very real okay you know as long as

1620
01:22:16,050 --> 01:22:13,450
they categorize it what type of a memory

1621
01:22:17,550 --> 01:22:16,060
it was I had this experience blah blah

1622
01:22:19,980 --> 01:22:17,560
blah that was was a meta

1623
01:22:22,020 --> 01:22:19,990
Hey all of a sudden you know I felt like

1624
01:22:25,230 --> 01:22:22,030
I was out of my body I was robbing

1625
01:22:28,230 --> 01:22:25,240
somewhere else so they stated how that

1626
01:22:30,210 --> 01:22:28,240
experience occurred the problem is that

1627
01:22:32,220 --> 01:22:30,220
you talk to a lot of experiences and

1628
01:22:33,990 --> 01:22:32,230
that happened to be the very beginning

1629
01:22:36,360 --> 01:22:34,000
when I would listen to a lot of

1630
01:22:38,700 --> 01:22:36,370
experience their stories is that they

1631
01:22:40,050 --> 01:22:38,710
would be going on from one experience or

1632
01:22:42,330 --> 01:22:40,060
another experience or another experience

1633
01:22:43,710 --> 01:22:42,340
and what you realize was that one

1634
01:22:46,170 --> 01:22:43,720
information came from a hypnotic

1635
01:22:48,480 --> 01:22:46,180
regression another information came from

1636
01:22:52,500 --> 01:22:48,490
a lucid dream another information came

1637
01:22:54,060 --> 01:22:52,510
from you know another source so but when

1638
01:22:57,150 --> 01:22:54,070
you're listening to that person you

1639
01:22:59,310 --> 01:22:57,160
believe that it was all conscious you

1640
01:23:04,520 --> 01:22:59,320
know explicit memories but no it was

1641
01:23:07,200 --> 01:23:04,530
King from diversity of sources so we our

1642
01:23:09,240 --> 01:23:07,210
organization we took the position that

1643
01:23:11,490 --> 01:23:09,250
there's certain types of memories which

1644
01:23:14,400 --> 01:23:11,500
are much more valid and less

1645
01:23:17,310 --> 01:23:14,410
controversial than others and so well

1646
01:23:21,360 --> 01:23:17,320
what we did is we eliminated the more

1647
01:23:25,560 --> 01:23:21,370
controversial memory recollections now

1648
01:23:29,040 --> 01:23:25,570
Alyssa talk a minute about the Edgar and

1649
01:23:31,500 --> 01:23:29,050
Mitchell's involvement with this was he

1650
01:23:41,220 --> 01:23:31,510
actually he passed away what about two

1651
01:23:43,710 --> 01:23:41,230
years ago now a year and a half ago 2015

1652
01:23:47,820 --> 01:23:43,720
applause yeah yeah okay what was he

1653
01:23:50,370 --> 01:23:47,830
involved in any of the research in this

1654
01:23:55,680 --> 01:23:50,380
aspect involving the people who had

1655
01:23:57,030 --> 01:23:55,690
experiences oh yes he spoke he had a

1656
01:24:01,320 --> 01:23:57,040
relationship with hundreds of

1657
01:24:03,660 --> 01:24:01,330
experiences except that that side of

1658
01:24:06,120 --> 01:24:03,670
Edgar was another public he always heard

1659
01:24:08,790 --> 01:24:06,130
about the ufology the disclosure Edgar

1660
01:24:10,860 --> 01:24:08,800
not the part with the experience well

1661
01:24:12,570 --> 01:24:10,870
what we did it we did have a gentleman

1662
01:24:14,850 --> 01:24:12,580
we had a gentleman on our program a

1663
01:24:17,370 --> 01:24:14,860
couple of weeks ago a Wilbur Alan are

1664
01:24:20,580 --> 01:24:17,380
you familiar with him lives in there I

1665
01:24:24,240 --> 01:24:20,590
guess yeah well he he worked with the

1666
01:24:25,940 --> 01:24:24,250
dr. Mitchell and he had I don't know if

1667
01:24:28,680 --> 01:24:25,950
you would call them consciousness

1668
01:24:30,910 --> 01:24:28,690
lifting experiences but he was seeing

1669
01:24:32,530 --> 01:24:30,920
these orbs around the

1670
01:24:34,900 --> 01:24:32,540
the Capitol building and actually

1671
01:24:38,280 --> 01:24:34,910
photographing them on quite a number of

1672
01:24:42,130 --> 01:24:38,290
occasions and there was a presentation

1673
01:24:43,870 --> 01:24:42,140
given in Trenton my friend at Pat market

1674
01:24:46,540 --> 01:24:43,880
chilly Ophir I know God knows how many

1675
01:24:48,100 --> 01:24:46,550
years thirty years has been involved

1676
01:24:52,150 --> 01:24:48,110
with putting on a UFO conference there

1677
01:24:55,570 --> 01:24:52,160
and they had a dr. Mitchell I believe on

1678
01:24:57,700 --> 01:24:55,580
on skype or some other hook out and you

1679
01:25:00,930 --> 01:24:57,710
know he he seemed to be involved in this

1680
01:25:03,760 --> 01:25:00,940
particular of well photographic analysis

1681
01:25:06,400 --> 01:25:03,770
because this Wilmer Allen has a lot of

1682
01:25:09,100 --> 01:25:06,410
these the pictures that he is taken that

1683
01:25:10,420 --> 01:25:09,110
shows I wouldn't call them orbs but Tim

1684
01:25:13,630 --> 01:25:10,430
what would you say they're kind of

1685
01:25:16,690 --> 01:25:13,640
mysterious lights yeah that's probably

1686
01:25:20,080 --> 01:25:16,700
that probably as good as description as

1687
01:25:22,330 --> 01:25:20,090
any yeah and I don't know I mean that

1688
01:25:25,480 --> 01:25:22,340
dr. Mitchell they seemed and intrigued

1689
01:25:28,750 --> 01:25:25,490
enough by to to come via Skype at the

1690
01:25:31,750 --> 01:25:28,760
UFO conference you know I mean that was

1691
01:25:34,740 --> 01:25:31,760
a maybe about seven or eight or nine

1692
01:25:39,190 --> 01:25:34,750
years ago the details kind of a smear

1693
01:25:40,960 --> 01:25:39,200
yeah was a direct participant in our

1694
01:25:43,990 --> 01:25:40,970
research study he helped her develop the

1695
01:25:46,650 --> 01:25:44,000
question when the data was coming in I

1696
01:25:49,840 --> 01:25:46,660
would physically drive up to his home

1697
01:25:52,090 --> 01:25:49,850
they show him some of the printouts of

1698
01:25:55,210 --> 01:25:52,100
some of our data as it was coming in and

1699
01:26:00,130 --> 01:25:55,220
it validated you know his hypotheses

1700
01:26:02,220 --> 01:26:00,140
that these individuals are having what

1701
01:26:05,200 --> 01:26:02,230
but he turns you know parapsychological

1702
01:26:07,570 --> 01:26:05,210
type of content experiences were the

1703
01:26:10,060 --> 01:26:07,580
primary type of experiences and not

1704
01:26:12,250 --> 01:26:10,070
physical even though physical was a was

1705
01:26:15,550 --> 01:26:12,260
a component it was a minor very minor

1706
01:26:18,010 --> 01:26:15,560
component of it that well did he did he

1707
01:26:21,190 --> 01:26:18,020
claim did he claim I mean I I know

1708
01:26:23,110 --> 01:26:21,200
publicly he he didn't but did he ever

1709
01:26:24,960 --> 01:26:23,120
say anything in private that would lead

1710
01:26:28,870 --> 01:26:24,970
you to believe that he might have had

1711
01:26:31,030 --> 01:26:28,880
some sort of all consciousness alter

1712
01:26:33,970 --> 01:26:31,040
dating experience himself

1713
01:26:36,820 --> 01:26:33,980
oh yes he definitely had one in space

1714
01:26:40,030 --> 01:26:36,830
what he was returning back he called it

1715
01:26:44,900 --> 01:26:40,040
a samadhi experience where basically he

1716
01:26:46,070 --> 01:26:44,910
had universal knowledge you know

1717
01:26:47,930 --> 01:26:46,080
like a lot of people that have had a

1718
01:26:51,290 --> 01:26:47,940
near-death experience and they return

1719
01:26:54,380 --> 01:26:51,300
and they say I had all the information

1720
01:26:56,960 --> 01:26:54,390
of all reality you know like I tapped

1721
01:26:59,060 --> 01:26:56,970
into you know God source and I knew

1722
01:26:59,990 --> 01:26:59,070
everything but now it's all gone you

1723
01:27:02,090 --> 01:27:00,000
know where did it go

1724
01:27:04,250 --> 01:27:02,100
Edgar basically said the same thing that

1725
01:27:06,920 --> 01:27:04,260
all of a sudden you know many

1726
01:27:09,800 --> 01:27:06,930
experiences state the same thing contact

1727
01:27:11,570 --> 01:27:09,810
experiences mainly the ones that have

1728
01:27:15,740 --> 01:27:11,580
been brought to other realities other

1729
01:27:18,620 --> 01:27:15,750
dimensions by these beings and we've had

1730
01:27:22,010 --> 01:27:18,630
tons of these people who for example in

1731
01:27:27,350 --> 01:27:22,020
their bed they meet a human-looking be

1732
01:27:29,570 --> 01:27:27,360
with with a monk's robe as a matter of

1733
01:27:31,790 --> 01:27:29,580
fact we've had almost 450 people that

1734
01:27:33,830 --> 01:27:31,800
I've had interactions with non-human

1735
01:27:36,590 --> 01:27:33,840
intelligence addressed in a monk's robe

1736
01:27:39,440 --> 01:27:36,600
okay or Roman tunics some of them

1737
01:27:41,510 --> 01:27:39,450
described it as and all of a sudden

1738
01:27:43,520 --> 01:27:41,520
these people begin interacting with

1739
01:27:46,580 --> 01:27:43,530
these beings telepathically and they

1740
01:27:51,350 --> 01:27:46,590
bring them to another reality and then

1741
01:27:54,830 --> 01:27:51,360
these realities are sort of like you are

1742
01:27:56,480 --> 01:27:54,840
brought to a 3d reality and they're

1743
01:27:59,720 --> 01:27:56,490
they're interacting given spiritual

1744
01:28:02,930 --> 01:27:59,730
messages they're given tons of

1745
01:28:05,630 --> 01:28:02,940
telepathic communications even shown the

1746
01:28:06,890 --> 01:28:05,640
spirit world but that's like and they

1747
01:28:10,640 --> 01:28:06,900
get brought back and all of a sudden

1748
01:28:12,230 --> 01:28:10,650
they say that I had all this knowledge I

1749
01:28:13,940 --> 01:28:12,240
knew everything you know it's just like

1750
01:28:16,190 --> 01:28:13,950
a near-death experience and all of a

1751
01:28:20,690 --> 01:28:16,200
sudden it's like was taken away from us

1752
01:28:24,020 --> 01:28:20,700
what no are there okay okay I'm thinking

1753
01:28:27,800 --> 01:28:24,030
now like can we talk about any

1754
01:28:30,110 --> 01:28:27,810
individuals in particular that you think

1755
01:28:32,540 --> 01:28:30,120
have you know their stories I have a lot

1756
01:28:34,670 --> 01:28:32,550
of evidential information or they show a

1757
01:28:36,560 --> 01:28:34,680
pattern I'm not waiting for example

1758
01:28:38,720 --> 01:28:36,570
hundreds of people hundreds of these

1759
01:28:41,480 --> 01:28:38,730
people because we then followed up with

1760
01:28:45,800 --> 01:28:41,490
interviews with selected individuals to

1761
01:28:47,960 --> 01:28:45,810
write up in our book so any of them are

1762
01:28:51,770 --> 01:28:47,970
any of them mentioned by name in the in

1763
01:28:52,910 --> 01:28:51,780
the book a couple of more than a couple

1764
01:28:55,910 --> 01:28:52,920
for quite a few I'll mention my name

1765
01:28:57,650 --> 01:28:55,920
yeah okay and who would you say I mean

1766
01:28:58,610 --> 01:28:57,660
which would be at the forefront of

1767
01:29:00,710 --> 01:28:58,620
having these

1768
01:29:02,510 --> 01:29:00,720
the experiences that you give that

1769
01:29:07,810 --> 01:29:02,520
course it was a very close friend of

1770
01:29:09,680 --> 01:29:07,820
mine he's a retired federal DEA agents

1771
01:29:14,150 --> 01:29:09,690
when were people have brought down

1772
01:29:16,640 --> 01:29:14,160
Noriega his wife is a PC psychologist

1773
01:29:18,890 --> 01:29:16,650
his daughters a PhD psychologist he

1774
01:29:21,170 --> 01:29:18,900
holds a master's degree in business he

1775
01:29:22,880 --> 01:29:21,180
was a part of uh you know almost

1776
01:29:24,200 --> 01:29:22,890
three-letter agencies for many many

1777
01:29:27,500 --> 01:29:24,210
years

1778
01:29:30,200 --> 01:29:27,510
and and he's prominently mentioned in

1779
01:29:33,410 --> 01:29:30,210
our book and he's one of these people

1780
01:29:34,700 --> 01:29:33,420
out of like countries that is a being

1781
01:29:37,870 --> 01:29:34,710
appeared in their living room and

1782
01:29:41,740 --> 01:29:37,880
brought them to other realities it's

1783
01:29:44,990 --> 01:29:41,750
okay well let me finish one more point

1784
01:29:47,450 --> 01:29:45,000
people that took our survey they stated

1785
01:29:50,150 --> 01:29:47,460
that they have never told anyone else of

1786
01:29:54,860 --> 01:29:50,160
their experiences except for maybe a

1787
01:29:56,780 --> 01:29:54,870
spouse or a sibling or a child outside

1788
01:30:03,040 --> 01:29:56,790
of that it's never gone outside of that

1789
01:30:05,570 --> 01:30:03,050
very close intimate household well rehab

1790
01:30:08,740 --> 01:30:05,580
how do we get this information out to

1791
01:30:11,690 --> 01:30:08,750
the the public I mean what you were

1792
01:30:15,470 --> 01:30:11,700
composite job making they can read for

1793
01:30:17,390 --> 01:30:15,480
free we have a 90 page chapter one which

1794
01:30:20,420 --> 01:30:17,400
we're making available to the public

1795
01:30:23,270 --> 01:30:20,430
we've also have a 10 page prelude

1796
01:30:25,040 --> 01:30:23,280
written by dr. Rudi shields we have the

1797
01:30:27,350 --> 01:30:25,050
table of contents so you can see all the

1798
01:30:28,940 --> 01:30:27,360
chapters and all the authors in our book

1799
01:30:31,460 --> 01:30:28,950
one of them was actually the late brats

1800
01:30:33,680 --> 01:30:31,470
fieger he wrote all good friends I guess

1801
01:30:35,690 --> 01:30:33,690
yeah absolutely

1802
01:30:38,150 --> 01:30:35,700
he wrote the conclusion for our book

1803
01:30:38,540 --> 01:30:38,160
basically a few weeks before he passed

1804
01:30:41,420 --> 01:30:38,550
away

1805
01:30:45,410 --> 01:30:41,430
yes it was like he was right before he

1806
01:30:47,900 --> 01:30:45,420
went to hospital again you know it was

1807
01:30:52,280 --> 01:30:47,910
almost at his deathbed he he finished

1808
01:30:54,770 --> 01:30:52,290
writing that conclusion well so we know

1809
01:30:58,850 --> 01:30:54,780
I mean a magical person he and his wife

1810
01:31:02,390 --> 01:30:58,860
Cherie oh yeah I like it in contact with

1811
01:31:03,800 --> 01:31:02,400
her you know recently too and you know

1812
01:31:09,170 --> 01:31:03,810
tried to get her to come on in from

1813
01:31:11,390 --> 01:31:09,180
college so then yes people can send us

1814
01:31:14,959 --> 01:31:11,400
an email to info at

1815
01:31:19,250 --> 01:31:14,969
experiencer dot org info at experience

1816
01:31:21,200 --> 01:31:19,260
org request to get the the samples from

1817
01:31:24,200 --> 01:31:21,210
our books the most important being

1818
01:31:27,530 --> 01:31:24,210
chapter one and I encourage everyone to

1819
01:31:30,080 --> 01:31:27,540
read it because it has a good majority

1820
01:31:32,720 --> 01:31:30,090
of our data from our book in the chapter

1821
01:31:35,209 --> 01:31:32,730
one it has the analysis of that data and

1822
01:31:38,840 --> 01:31:35,219
we also get into some of the speculative

1823
01:31:42,110 --> 01:31:38,850
physics the cosmological physics that

1824
01:31:45,110 --> 01:31:42,120
might explain some of this paranormal

1825
01:31:47,240 --> 01:31:45,120
phenomenon of how the experiencer

1826
01:31:49,640 --> 01:31:47,250
interact with our multi-dimensional

1827
01:31:52,070 --> 01:31:49,650
reality what are the hypotheses that we

1828
01:31:54,260 --> 01:31:52,080
have as an organization especially our

1829
01:31:56,870 --> 01:31:54,270
three PhD physicist we also have dr.

1830
01:31:59,689 --> 01:31:56,880
Claude Swanson PC physicist from

1831
01:32:02,510 --> 01:31:59,699
Princeton University and he wrote the

1832
01:32:05,060 --> 01:32:02,520
book the synchronized universe all of us

1833
01:32:09,050 --> 01:32:05,070
I was just gonna say synchronicity we we

1834
01:32:12,350 --> 01:32:09,060
just did a book on synchronicities which

1835
01:32:14,840 --> 01:32:12,360
plays a very important role in all of

1836
01:32:18,890 --> 01:32:14,850
this in fact that was our last book was

1837
01:32:21,770 --> 01:32:18,900
450 pages it was the mind matrix of

1838
01:32:24,800 --> 01:32:21,780
control matrix of fill kick you know I

1839
01:32:27,380 --> 01:32:24,810
told all about my synchronicities with

1840
01:32:28,610 --> 01:32:27,390
you Emperor I did many many dozen and

1841
01:32:29,990 --> 01:32:28,620
I'm not just talking about thinking

1842
01:32:32,419 --> 01:32:30,000
about somebody in the telephone ringing

1843
01:32:34,880 --> 01:32:32,429
I mean the next day I and we were

1844
01:32:38,560 --> 01:32:34,890
talking about hardcore synchronicities

1845
01:32:43,010 --> 01:32:38,570
that have no ordinary explanation or

1846
01:32:45,620 --> 01:32:43,020
Edgar's article in our book nature's

1847
01:32:48,290 --> 01:32:45,630
mind the quantum hologram talks about

1848
01:32:51,110 --> 01:32:48,300
that how our universes all synchronize

1849
01:32:55,010 --> 01:32:51,120
it's all entangled and Rudy shields too

1850
01:32:57,830 --> 01:32:55,020
so the hypothesis that we have is that

1851
01:33:00,380 --> 01:32:57,840
this phenomenon because there's a proto

1852
01:33:02,600 --> 01:33:00,390
manipulation of space-time in these

1853
01:33:04,880 --> 01:33:02,610
experiences total manipulation even

1854
01:33:06,860 --> 01:33:04,890
Jacques Vallee stated that thirty years

1855
01:33:09,080 --> 01:33:06,870
ago and still maintains it that this

1856
01:33:12,320 --> 01:33:09,090
phenomenon is much more complicated than

1857
01:33:17,750 --> 01:33:12,330
just mainstream ecology but this is our

1858
01:33:19,610 --> 01:33:17,760
he hypothesizes it's in I I hope I hope

1859
01:33:23,540 --> 01:33:19,620
that this information I hope this

1860
01:33:24,800 --> 01:33:23,550
information gets out to a lot of people

1861
01:33:25,100 --> 01:33:24,810
and are you going to hold a press

1862
01:33:26,840 --> 01:33:25,110
conference

1863
01:33:29,240 --> 01:33:26,850
answer anything at some point and try to

1864
01:33:31,609 --> 01:33:29,250
get some media attention on this well

1865
01:33:34,820 --> 01:33:31,619
I'm gonna be presenting it several

1866
01:33:37,010 --> 01:33:34,830
conferences we're doing the radio

1867
01:33:40,280 --> 01:33:37,020
interviews and we're offering a free

1868
01:33:43,370 --> 01:33:40,290
copy of chapter one I once again it at

1869
01:33:45,340 --> 01:33:43,380
info at experience Oregon all right well

1870
01:33:47,570 --> 01:33:45,350
I do want to give a Irina's a chance to

1871
01:33:48,800 --> 01:33:47,580
tell people about her books where they

1872
01:33:53,240 --> 01:33:48,810
can get in for they get more information

1873
01:33:55,370 --> 01:33:53,250
from her and so forth oh well mines

1874
01:33:58,550 --> 01:33:55,380
inside the Lightning Bowl scientific

1875
01:34:01,760 --> 01:33:58,560
studies of lifelong UFO experiences you

1876
01:34:02,600 --> 01:34:01,770
can get it from Amazon come and I also

1877
01:34:07,250 --> 01:34:02,610
have a website

1878
01:34:09,669 --> 01:34:07,260
Irena Scott calm and it pops up and if

1879
01:34:15,169 --> 01:34:09,679
you click on it it goes right to the

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Amazon calm place where you can buy it I

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also think that the experiences are a

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lot more complicated than just the

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physical UFO but I don't understand them

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and in my opinion from my own experience

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I thought that it wasn't very conscious

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I thought something was going on in my

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mind that I wasn't conscious of that was

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very hidden or something so I thought

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I'd make that comment well I I think we

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we that it covered the subjective rather

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adequately and I do want to continue the

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conversation at some point down the down

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the road and a Tim I'll be talking to

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you over the next couple of days when

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finishing up on this book on

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extraterrestrial relationships with

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humans I'm going to keep the exact title

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a a secret but remember our YouTube

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